Very unfortunate. The ideia of a ground radar always fascinated me about the Su-39. The kopyo-25 is barely usable as a ground radar, and as you said there is little information on the Kinzhal, so probably only the Khod could be added.
Ралин, ты серьезно готов теплак первого поколения обменять на возможность кидать р73, когда спинишь истребители, через “look-up” бвб?)
Kopyo is 3 times better then gen-1 thermals because its allows you to attack enemy fighters at off boresight angles with your trust vectoring r73s, and also rises your situational awareness in case of air threats.
It is also possible that su39 will recieve a higher br after this addition which is bad overall.
A bug report about missing R-77 and R-27ER was already accepted 14 days ago. Su-39 will have it’s BR raised when it receive them, so the thermal pod is needed.
Cmon, its going to get 12.0 BR, you guys srs?( I dont want to play against 12.7 jets every game… And he probably wont recieve thermals anyway because there was none of them actually made for su39.
Bruh. You read the caput of this thread?
This is a huge mistake to give radar missiles to this jet. Youll see once its going to be implemented…
The same was said for the AV-8B+, it’s going to be perfectly fine if it gets placed at a reasonable BR.
The SU-39 would be sitting at 12.0 with R-27R1/T1s and 12.3 with RVV-AEs.
And no, it wouldn’t and shouldn’t sit at 12.7 with the RVV-AEs, it wouldn’t as potent as the IRIAF F-14A.
Most sources I’ve found don’t mention the R-27ER1/ET1s anywhere so I’d be willing to make the assumption it never had them.
The bug report mentioned specifically the R-77 and the R-27ER1. Gaijin maybe just adds the R-27R1, to avoid making a balancing hell, but it can’t be said for sure.
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12.0 - AV-8B with 4 AIM-120 + 2 AIM-9M, and F-18 radar.
Su-39 not a same level. 11.7 right now with r-77
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Depends on the situation. Potentially choosing between more options in A2G and A2A would be an extremely interesting decision before flying out in every battle
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su39 have much better payload, and f-18 radar is comparable to kopyo.
You guys really misunderstand the difference between 11.3 and 11.7 aircrafts in grb. 12.7 which is presented by the best multiroles in game will permanently uptier you.
Do whatever you want, but im voting against those changes to one of my favorite attackers. You guys are gonna regret it if the changes going to get implemented…
It’s a moot point. Most importantly, the Su-39 cannot have a thermal imager and a p-77 at the same time. It will have to decide before it flies.
Especially since the maximum number of r-77s in the Su-39 can be kept lower at 2.
F-18 radar much better.
There are no tanks on 11.3. You will most likely play on 11.7, there t-80u-e1.
In addition, BR edits are constantly happening and yesterday’s bad BR will become good and vice versa
Bro, it has occurred to me now, looking at the Su-34 radar: the radio transparent cover does not need to be a perfect sphere or a “spheroid”. The thing with how to make a cover for the radar is the same of how one would make a lens for any camera: it depends on it’s size and area of the emission/reception of the electromagnetic field.
The shape of the cover is only relevant when you are considering refraction and the general wave-form you want to maintain for the electromagnetic field you would emit.
The wave-form is the shape that – in a camera the lens would have – the IR/radio transparent cover must have to preserve the form of the wave, so to not receive it distorted.
Because of the small sweeping angles, if the Khrizantema Radar were to have a cover, it would look almost flat. It could be the same with the Kinzhal if it were very small; and the same rule aplies to any thermal imager, considering that any eletromagnetic wave suffers refraction going through different mediums, so Khod would have it’s own cover too, with separate receptors.
It could be that the Kinzhal was planned to function in parallel with Khod and the aiming station in the same container, and the aiming station would guide them both. You think that could be possible?
If you look at the Khod containers, there are steel sliding lids. It can only be a thermal imager. Radar in such a container makes no sense, since nothing needs to be sliding for it
When you mention the steel lids, and this:
You mean this cover:
You are saying that the radar doesn’t need to be exposed to be able to work, and thus a radar there doesn’t make sense?
I was saying that radar can only be hidden by radio-transparent materials.
Steel sashes never cover the radar. Especially since the shape of the container isn’t round
That’s my ideia of how could both Kinzhal and Khod fit inside the same container. The steel slids can’t be the cover for the radio.
You think this could be possible? Or even the general form of it, the container, wouldn’t let this be possible?
That can’t be right. The antenna inside the radar is rotated to provide viewing angles. This arrangement would mean that the radar is not able to rotate at all.
The metal housing at the bottom also means that the radar cannot look down.
The kopie-25 has angles of +25 -55 up-down and ±40 right-left. These angles are only possible with a sufficiently radio transparent cover that allows the radar to rotate inside.
I think people are mistaken regarding the fact that Kinzhal was in the Khod container, much less combined with it
Besides, based on Ildar Bedretdinov’s book, Kinzal’s weight was 150kg. In comparison Kopie-25 weighs 90 kg.
I don’t believe that the container could hold 150kg + the weight of the thermal imager, which is not small either.