In low tier sim I haven’t been shot down at all lol. Even took my B-29 out and got great damage on the enemy AF
Bruh thats little bit more than 100 sp more than loaded f16 and ~200 than a10c. Thats kinda busted considering that su34 with kh38 can get 4+ kills consitently per load while being beyond range of any spaa
Exact same SP cost as Brimstones or AGM-65.
Every AGM has a smoke trail.
Only KH-38s and AASM have IOG meaning they ignore smoke. And KH-38 is about 2-3 times faster than any other AGM.
There is a reason why everyone hate KH-38s
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Screenshot it for me, I’d love to see.
And taking just 1 KH38 makes it that high of sp, I couldn’t imagine bringing other weapons on board too. @bertgame
Also let’s not forget F-16s can easily over g spaa aams and have, and still do drop agms or agbs on ground targets with ease.
It’s all or nothing. Stop cherry picking.
@Morvran
You are the most uninformed person on IOG, please explain to the class what it does, because it simply doesn’t “ignore smoke”
I think what he means is that it continues on it’s trajectory, if you were moving it would still lead but yea all it does is go to where you either were or were going, it’s not ignoring smoke
Bruh what? Taking even 1 agm/bomb/anything that increases sp cost on any plane will increase its sp cost to fixed value no matter of how many u are carrying.
Also u mising the fact that f16 operates in spaa range while su34 doesnt at all
Stop cherry picking
There are some spaa, that have greater range than the Adats yes, pansir, the Sweden one, and a few others.
It’s not cherry picking saying all spaa currently have trouble killing any competent pilot. Whether it’s an F-16, Rafael, or Su-34.
Also all USSR aircraft cost more sp.
You are in fact cherry picking
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A competent player in f16/rafale/anything thats not russian ALWAYS operates in s1 range.
Meanwhile competent kh38 user can COMPLETELY stay out of range of any spaa.
Yes u will have trouble killing a competent f16 player but atleast u have opportunity to kill that f16 while other spaas dont get that same opportunity cuz THEY DONT HAVE RANGE.
Thats not a hard puzzle to figure out.
And thats cherry picking thats a fkn fact dude
This is nothing new. SP costs are based upon the cost of the highest costing weapon and not the quantity or variety.
1x Brimstone mount (3) costs the same as 6 mounts (18).
So taking 1x KH-38 or 6 doesnt have any impact on cost and this is the same for any weapon. Actually drives me nuts because bombs are the same, and there is no difference in cost from an unguided bomb or guided bomb. So running 1-12 unguided bombs on something like a Tornado costs the same as running 4x GBUs and therefore there is no insentive to ever run the unguided payload (and this was back when the GR1 was the best we had)
When smoke breaks the LoS. It keeps going, based upon the targets estimated position. This is enough to score a kill most of the time becuase even if the target is able to react in time, they may not have been able to move fully out of the way. In something very slow, its almost impossible.
In contrast, something like an AGM-65, will just self destruct upon the deployment of smoke.
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Correction falls down and crashes to ground.
Kh38 has IOG and is very fast so even if u pop smoke which is ~5s to fully set up the kh38 is very close so even if it loses LoS it still guides by IOG + it has literally bomb warhead so if u are playing light tank or spaa with smoke - gl cuz it depends how fast vehicle is but HE frag will still get u. So yeah kh38 can kill trough smoke. Hellfire can do the same but is has much worse IOG and laser is quite bad
Hellfire doesnt have IOG in the same regard. When laser is used once, the IOG perma disables. Its just flying ballistically if the target smokes. Brimstones are the same.
NATO aircraft in game: thermals
Russian aircraft in game: literally only 1 has a thermal.
Which means target acquisition is terrible at far ranges 5 miles+
Operates in pansir range sure. Your point? Over g the aam. It’s easy.
You sound like you’ve died to the kh38 a few times and now you’re on a rampage against it.
I’ve died to brimstones many times, you don’t hear me complaining about brimstones do you? No. Because I’m getting at the core of the issue, cas in general.
Other spaas btw have higher g overload in fact I think the Sweden spaa is the best in the game, bar the lack of range compared to the pansir, but it’s still by far the best jack of all trades.
Yeah… I noticed it just flying into stratosphere but sometimes it works and kills trough smoke
Yeah, if/when they fly through smoke, its little different to firing an unguided rocket through the smoke and hitting the target.
Lmao. “May not be able to react in time” I didn’t know all nato tanks are T-72s internally with -3km reverse.
A KH-38 fired from about 8-10km only takes a few seconds to reach its target. To stop moving, smoke, and then move in a different direction. All whilst dealing with ground threats and terrain. Is not always possible and thats only IF you spot the missile the moment its launched, which you rarely do if you are looking elsewhere.
With AGM-65, between its far far slower speed and lack of IOG, you can smoke and defend easily against an incoming threat spotted late. If you do not instantly react to a KH-38, you are dead.
The fact you are burying your head in the sand about just how OP KH-38s are when compared to nearly any other A2G weapon system in game, is just hilarious and shows just how biased you are.
Lmaaao
Nato TGPs have gen 1 thermals. U dont know that u can use kh38 seeker which has 3rd gen?
Srsly? U cant spot difference in opportunity that is availabe and not available. If have a shot at f16 atleast u can kill it. If u dont have opportunity U CANT kill it.
I havent died to “just few” times by kh38. But i cant say anything cuz u already know that better than me. Right?
My god… Even is stat card says it has 50g i doesnt mean its constatntly pulling these 50 Gs. The energy of the missile is what makes long range shots lethal and s1 has much much more energy than ito/flarakrad vt1.
Stat cards are sometimes lying. How u dont know it while u know how many people die to missiles
Ah sure, I’m totally the biased one.
One has a smaller airframe
More maneuverablility
More agms 18 vs 6
About half the size (means it’s harder to hit for those whom can’t understand :) )
It’s been proven the brimstones are just as effective if not more than Kh-38s the brimstones have been the only agms to have led to a nuke, after spawning cas. Many YouTubers, and players have displayed this.
In this case you are the biased one. What has the better chance to hit? 6 or 18?
800x600, it’s gen2. Justa minor correction
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KH-38s.
They have triple the range with the upcoming Tpod buffs and can now be used effectively from 30km away.
If you are worried about the first missing, you can always fire a second.
If you are forced to defend against an SPAA or CAP, it doesnt matter, the missile will continue onto the target no matter what unless shot down (which can only really be done by the Pantsir)
In contrast, the Brimstone needs to be used more like 10km away, 15km at a push. Once the missile has gotten roughly close to the target, it needs to be manually guided onto the target via the laser. Which may not be possible if you are actively defending against SPAA(s) or enemy CAP.
The fact it can carry 18 is irrelevant. By your own logic, this means the Su-39s 16x Vikhrs is a more powerful A2G payload than the A-10Cs 6x AGM-65s and therefore should be a higher BR. Given the Su-39 is 11.3 and the A-10C is 12.0 in GRB, this clearly isnt the case.
The quantity advantage is mitigated entirely (and imo, excessively) by the fact the Typhoon carries an ahistorical version of the Brimstone (it should be the Brimstone 2 with 200% increased range) and the fact the Brimstones should be FnF, instead they are limited to SAL only.
Yes the Typhoon is a nimble platform, but lets compare the Su-34 with say the Tornado Gr4, which I would actually consider its contempory, and it blows it out of the water in every single respect. The Typhoon should be compared to aircraft like the Su-30SM which will cope just fine against a Typhoon.
But again, British, italian and German players that have made the Tornado work as their primary CAS aircraft over the past 2 years doing extremely well in the Typhoon even with its massively nerfed A2G performance doesnt suddenly make KH-38s any less OP and the SU-30SM is an even stronger platform to be firing them off from AND KH-38s + Su-30SM is one of 2 aircraft that will be able to truly make use of the extended Tpod lock ranges coming this major. The only other one of note is the Rafale.
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