The drag cause it to lose a lot more speed than aim-120 against a notching target. But it is still an upgrade over the base 77 though
Anyways, 30SM comes with lots of compromises already. Bad turn rate, bad engines, large rwr blind spot (blame how bad russian microchips are), heavy as heck, tvc gimmick that’s way more dangerous to practically use
I’m with you, I absolutely adore the russian airframes, however there is a reality that is present in them: these airframes are transitionary from a country that literally collapsed. So due to economic reasons a lot of them did make compromises IRL, and gaijin is running out of things to add so they are trying to spread it all out.
But at least there are sources supporting what we want, so it’s definitely possible gaijin will throw us the bone with these engines if it isn’t competitive enough. But maybe it’s fine as is and isn’t compromising as much as we think it is.
The F15E has all of these weaknesses except engines, while not being all that usefull in a dogfight
It retains energy better than the flankers, it has superior missiles, it has better turn rate than the 30SM at certain SEPs, it also has a smaller blind spot compared to the L-150 (limited to +/- 30 degrees, while F-15E is like +/-45).
Besides, I’ve given up pushing for this anyways.
The Su-30SM as it stands in the dev server is F-15 equivalent.
It’s slower to accelerate, similar to Mirage 2000 vs F-16C.
However, the Su-30SM has equivalent general flight performance to the F-15, similar to Mirage 2000 vs F-16C.
Su-30SM as it stands on dev server is a perfectly fine 14.0 aircraft.
If the 15E could get its 229 engines shortly after introduction (which made it so meta that the BR cap had to be raised and is still highly compressed), then the 30SM can get its AL-41s.
Idgaf about Frankenstein models and blocks anymore, since clearly the Snail doesn’t either.
Su-30SM is still not equipped with them IRL.
And F-15E is inferior to the existing Su-30SM in general flight performance.
It’s quite literally similar to Mirage 2000 vs F-16C.
@TuxedoBird dehumanizing WT players again instead of having a civil discussion.
Sad. One day they’ll have friends.
So… you guys are not alright with just getting a UFO with semi-9Xs and 14 missiles + the best radar (afaik) in the game?
You want it to be able to fly vertical or more accurate would be the performance the F-15E had before it got the drag fix?
UFO? Lol you’re joking right?
Agree.
Since Gaijin added the unrealistic PW229 to F15E in the last update, Su30SM without the AL41 will be just a SU27 with a little better missile.
And again the same users in this Forum, raiding it. Trying to NERF every Russian plane possible, always the same people. Gaijin realy needs to purge those people from here.
Even at only 30km of range it’s time to reach the target is like a second and a half faster.
This is calculated in what’s basically the best case scenario, where the enemy is coming straight at the missile, while launch speed is also equal.
30SM isn’t a speed demon so 120B slingers will reach altitude quicker with more speed, so this has to be taken into consideration.
In a real match scenario R-77-1 will still be worse than 120B and it won’t be just slight.
Does it seem that way?
And if it does, I’m dead serious. That thing would win every dogfight because of the TVC and the R-73’s
7/10 rage bait
Lol it won’t TVC is way more dangerous to use because it bleeds so much energy it leaves you vulnerable than just properly turning
And do you engage in dogfights often in ARB?
No and when you do you will have no problem winning them
So you’re mad and aircraft has a dogfight advantage in an arena where you admit dogfights are rare? But where most matches are won and lost its incredibly average at best. What even is your point?
I’m not mad. In fact i couldn’t even care less. The point is the Su-30SM is already a beast. It has arguably the best Fox 3’s and radar. The TVC and the R-73 is a deadly combo IF you would to get in a dogfight. Nobody would have a chance against it in WVR and potentially BVR but that is to be seen
It’s already proven R-77-1 and 30SM are mediocre at best in BVR.
IIRC the R-77M is only on Su-35 and Su-57, but it wouldn’t be that insane to wonder if it could be mounted on anything that could carry the original R-77.