So… you guys are not alright with just getting a UFO with semi-9Xs and 14 missiles + the best radar (afaik) in the game?
You want it to be able to fly vertical or more accurate would be the performance the F-15E had before it got the drag fix?
UFO? Lol you’re joking right?
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Agree.
Since Gaijin added the unrealistic PW229 to F15E in the last update, Su30SM without the AL41 will be just a SU27 with a little better missile.
And again the same users in this Forum, raiding it. Trying to NERF every Russian plane possible, always the same people. Gaijin realy needs to purge those people from here.
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Even at only 30km of range it’s time to reach the target is like a second and a half faster.
This is calculated in what’s basically the best case scenario, where the enemy is coming straight at the missile, while launch speed is also equal.
30SM isn’t a speed demon so 120B slingers will reach altitude quicker with more speed, so this has to be taken into consideration.
In a real match scenario R-77-1 will still be worse than 120B and it won’t be just slight.
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Does it seem that way?
And if it does, I’m dead serious. That thing would win every dogfight because of the TVC and the R-73’s
7/10 rage bait
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Lol it won’t TVC is way more dangerous to use because it bleeds so much energy it leaves you vulnerable than just properly turning
And do you engage in dogfights often in ARB?
No and when you do you will have no problem winning them
So you’re mad and aircraft has a dogfight advantage in an arena where you admit dogfights are rare? But where most matches are won and lost its incredibly average at best. What even is your point?
I’m not mad. In fact i couldn’t even care less. The point is the Su-30SM is already a beast. It has arguably the best Fox 3’s and radar. The TVC and the R-73 is a deadly combo IF you would to get in a dogfight. Nobody would have a chance against it in WVR and potentially BVR but that is to be seen
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It’s already proven R-77-1 and 30SM are mediocre at best in BVR.
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IIRC the R-77M is only on Su-35 and Su-57, but it wouldn’t be that insane to wonder if it could be mounted on anything that could carry the original R-77.
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American F-15Es literally uses the -229? Anyways, diverting from the topic at hand.
Su-30SM is correct in it using the original AL31 as it was the original engine that it came with. Su-30SM2 is the only 30SM variant to have used the AL-41 engines… Now I won’t sit here and waddle on about how previous Soviet vehicle(s) have been a mix of 1 or more variants of the same jet, but there are very clear differences between the Su-30SM (the one in-game) and the upgraded Su-30SM2 variant.
There’s nothing wrong with the Su-30SM: very, VERY good radar, 12-14 missiles, thrust vectoring. The engines are weak which is to be expected, if Gaijin decides to do a switcheroo and “how’d that get there? 😅” there way into giving the Su-30SM AL-41s, then I’ll 🤐.
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It’s already been proven they are only marginally better than the r-77. So still one of the worst fox3s, not even close to one of the best. Unless the target is AFK and you have gotten your lug of an airplane up to max speed at altitude without being shot at.
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This is malice or incompetence, take your pick.
Gaijin, since at least F-16, have consistently delivered underpowered and sub-par vehicles for Soviet top tier aviation (where air rb is concerned)
I’m sure Smin will turn up to disingenuously explain how Su-30SM is good actually because it has a few more missiles and the radar actually works for once. (the same goes for F/A-18C late, which shouldn’t be 14.0 just because it carries a few more AIM-120, which it similarly doesn’t have the flight performance to take advantage of.)
Neither of these matter when Rafale, Eurofighter and F-15E are so overwhelmingly superior in terms of flight performance.
Sure, Sweden is stuck with the Gripen and Japan is stuck with the F-15JM, for now, but this doesn’t explain how mysteriously Soviet and Chinese aircraft seem to be almost designed to be off-meta and weak. This includes giving the planes more missiles to avoid giving them a competitive BR etc.
It would be a dream come true if the MiG-29 and Su-27 derivatives were given flight performance in accordance with reality rather than this farcical crippled performance.
Al-41 would be at least a small mea culpa for 2 years or so of this nonsense.
Also J-11B could be given a real radar, proper Pl-8B. Not sure what else could be done for it.
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Mig-29SMT currently being under-BR’d.
Su-30SM coming out as an excellent 14.0.
The fact your post implies the F-15E is superior to the F-15E in flight performance is funny, cause there’s already been testing proving that F-15E/C and Su-30SM are all rather equal to each other. C has the best out of the 3, but it’s marginal.
Su-30SM/F-15 are not superior in flight performance to themselves, and they are equal to each other from the hands-on testing done.
“Japan is stuck with their F-15E equivalent aircraft.” Yeah, and it’s OP and meta because it’s 13.7 instead of with its equals.
Su-30SM will not suffer.
F-15E has the “worst” flight performance on live server because of its increased mass over F-15C, and it’s still great.
Su-30SM will be the same.
This is only true if everything proximal was severely decompressed. Otherwise this is extremely false.
Your testing methodology is extremely distorted and doesn’t produce relevant data.
Experienced and competent players will unanimously agree from their experience and from reliable tools like Statshark, that F-15E has huge performance advantages over F-15C.
This has been proven to you time and time again, yet you ignore it and continue to insist on counterfactual falsehoods.
There can be no fruitful discussion until you acknowledge this reality.
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Mig-29SMT is mediocre at best with one of the worst FMs in its BR range, and its rather good radar doesnt save the R-77 from being the 2nd or even worst fox3 ingame
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So a flight model equal to F-15E/C is “one of the worst”… good to know.
@Tristacomand
Prove that NATO and Statshark are distorted in their testing.
F-15E has a worst sustained turn rate, and worse instantaneous turn rate, to F-15C. F-15E is F-104S and F-15C is F-4E.
The fact your post calls facts “falsehoods” is proof enough.
I hope one day you acknowledge reality like the rest of us.
Keep claiming that Statshark, NATO, and countless other experts are wrong…
Oh, BTW Statshark can’t do a perfect comparison with F-15E & F-15C cause you can’t plug in extra drag from weapons and fuel tanks.
And despite those flaws F-15C pulls ahead in STR clean with fuel equalized.
I did not mention them? I spoke of good and experienced players.
This is bold to remark, considering you are famous for being disagreed with. Possibly the most contentious person on the forum. Really bizarre to appeal to being agreed with.