It’ll probably happen in a couple months after a certain nation who requires constant handholding stops just blatantly complaining that it’s “op” and the stats show it still is subpar compared to every other 14.0 in terms of stats.
Or it’ll compete just fine and they will add the sm2 with this engine later
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It is true that it could be entirely fine. This is just my speculation from how underpowered it is.
I think the SM2 could be differentiated with the new radar and R37M (and maybe the R77M? not sure if its mountable).
So I really hope Gaijin would consider gracing us with the glorious engine upgrade/refit on the regular SM.
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I agree that by the time the SM2 gets added after the SU-35 it would be too late.
It would be facing future higher BR such as stealth fighters, by then the AL-41 would be too late to make a difference since it would be more of a battle of sensors, stealth, and missile ranges.
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True it could go either way.
Here I am just wishing for a Russian plane with little to no compromises.
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Pretty much every jet at 14.0 has compromises, sure the su30 isnt as fast as an f15E or Eurofighter but but has a better radar than both while having the best missile loadout at 14.0 while outperforming the F15E pretty easily at close range combat and lets not even talk about the Rafale, the su30 is slower than the others but thats literally just 1 weakness.
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By best do you mean by sheer quantity?
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considering the r77-1 only has slightly less range than the aim120 while having significantly more of then its legit the best missile loadout in the game. 40km shots arnt killing anyone who knows how to play the game.
It’s still a draggy af missile though. So even under 40km shots would be a struggle. Besides, they can always remove the double racks and force non-use of the wingtip pylon to balance things out
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it being more draggy is why i say slightly less range cause in a strait line its time to target is faster so if you adjust for drag and turning its still only slightly less range. its not like i want the pilons removed im just saying every jet has compromises and advantages and that the su30 is fine.
The drag cause it to lose a lot more speed than aim-120 against a notching target. But it is still an upgrade over the base 77 though
Anyways, 30SM comes with lots of compromises already. Bad turn rate, bad engines, large rwr blind spot (blame how bad russian microchips are), heavy as heck, tvc gimmick that’s way more dangerous to practically use
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I’m with you, I absolutely adore the russian airframes, however there is a reality that is present in them: these airframes are transitionary from a country that literally collapsed. So due to economic reasons a lot of them did make compromises IRL, and gaijin is running out of things to add so they are trying to spread it all out.
But at least there are sources supporting what we want, so it’s definitely possible gaijin will throw us the bone with these engines if it isn’t competitive enough. But maybe it’s fine as is and isn’t compromising as much as we think it is.
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The F15E has all of these weaknesses except engines, while not being all that usefull in a dogfight
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It retains energy better than the flankers, it has superior missiles, it has better turn rate than the 30SM at certain SEPs, it also has a smaller blind spot compared to the L-150 (limited to +/- 30 degrees, while F-15E is like +/-45).
Besides, I’ve given up pushing for this anyways.
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The Su-30SM as it stands in the dev server is F-15 equivalent.
It’s slower to accelerate, similar to Mirage 2000 vs F-16C.
However, the Su-30SM has equivalent general flight performance to the F-15, similar to Mirage 2000 vs F-16C.
Su-30SM as it stands on dev server is a perfectly fine 14.0 aircraft.
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If the 15E could get its 229 engines shortly after introduction (which made it so meta that the BR cap had to be raised and is still highly compressed), then the 30SM can get its AL-41s.
Idgaf about Frankenstein models and blocks anymore, since clearly the Snail doesn’t either.
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Su-30SM is still not equipped with them IRL.
And F-15E is inferior to the existing Su-30SM in general flight performance.
It’s quite literally similar to Mirage 2000 vs F-16C.
@TuxedoBird dehumanizing WT players again instead of having a civil discussion.
Sad. One day they’ll have friends.
So… you guys are not alright with just getting a UFO with semi-9Xs and 14 missiles + the best radar (afaik) in the game?
You want it to be able to fly vertical or more accurate would be the performance the F-15E had before it got the drag fix?
UFO? Lol you’re joking right?
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Agree.
Since Gaijin added the unrealistic PW229 to F15E in the last update, Su30SM without the AL41 will be just a SU27 with a little better missile.
And again the same users in this Forum, raiding it. Trying to NERF every Russian plane possible, always the same people. Gaijin realy needs to purge those people from here.
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