i think at least some cents
MKK should be in the tech tree not P2W. and BTW MKK cannot carry PL12 Su30MKK2 can carry PL12.
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Okay… You do realize the RVV-AE in the same image right?
The R-77 on J-11A and Su-30MK2?
AIM-120 on F-16As?
There’s nothing exceptionally strong about the 30MKK here.
Um… then so should Gripen, F-16A, J-11A, etc, because its kit isn’t unique.
There’s nothing pay to win about this… the tech tree stuff is as good and better than this for the BR.
K. This isn’t equal to J-11B, this is equal to the standard J-11 and Su-30MKK.
There are also F-16As you can bring with all BVR loadouts.
Edit: Posting my take stated previously on the forum and later in this post here so people can see it easier:
Su-30MKK should move to 13.7 alongside J-11A and Su-30MK2.
F-15C/JM/BazM, J-11B, Su-27SM should move from 13.7 to 14.0. Potentially J-10A and F-2A as well [not currently my stance].
F-15E/I should move to 14.3.
Rafale, Su-30SM2, F-15C GE [MRMLs], AESA Typhoons should move to 14.7.
PL-12 is the problem not the RVV-AE
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PL-12 is R-77 and AIM-120A/B equivalent.
PL-12 and SD-10 have been at 13.0 and 13.3 already…
They can though
The original photo is this, which should show a MKK on the left (due to it being dark) and a MK2 at the right (due to it being light colored)
Sadly I do not have a clear view of the numbers of the side for a guaranteed confirmation of it being a MKK, but due to it’s colors, it is very likely
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PL-12 at 13.3???
Grinding a 12.3/12.7 is gonna be fun trust
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SU-30 getting on a downtier with 6 or 8 PL-12s and 2 R-73
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insane fun.
meanwhile these things on suicide watch:
(and these are just the ones without BASIC BVR capabilities, not like the ones with it are having any fun, 12.7s are much alike)
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Dont forget the mighty
Maybe its too op for Su-30 users with this loadout
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yeah its got a bad radar and FM for its br which compensates for it SU30 is just OP what do you mean F4EJ kai can face that in a uptier
woah watch out you can hurt someone with those… two (lmao) missiles
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Dont laugh at the Darters, they have almost half the range of a PL-12 and the F-5 can almost reach mach 1.2 in a straight line!1!!1
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It’s no different to what you’re already facing.
How can you be so confident when speaking and so wrong at the same time?
I didnt knew that this
was at the same level as a Su-30
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@Leinadmix9_ツ
Weird to see you calling War Thunder wiki wrong.
All while claiming 13.0 and 13.3 are the same BR.
No, I’m saying that you’re wrong and now im saying that you can’t read too.
All of those planes has a maximum of 6 missiles, with the exception of the J-11A, whose battle rating was lowered to somehow justify the low battle rating of the Russian premium Su-30, whose battle rating players have already complained about (rightfully).
It amuses me that you “support decompression” but every time someone complains that something is obviously undertiered and therefore, compressing the BRs even more, you come in as the defender of the terrible balancing decisions, how can it have less BR than an F-16C Block 50?
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@Leinadmix9_ツ
J-11A and Su-30MK2 have 10 missiles.
Yes, I will defend moving these up to 13.7 no matter what you say. I will keep defending decompression and good balancing.
You even admit that I am right to complain about the BRs of all these vehicles.
The fact 14.0s are sitting at 13.7, and 14.3s are sitting at 14.0 just because of the scary mechanics scan radar Typhoon players is annoying.
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To put more context on this cause all of these posts of mine were written while I’ve been on dev server:
My only issue with this topic is the claim that MKK was unique.
It’s not.
It’s one of ~15 under-BR’d 13.3 - 14.0 jets.
All should be moved up by 0.3.
With SM2, AESA Typhoons, etc also moving up by 0.3.
why do you think it stands out?