Depends we can use other examples for vehicles moving up with benefits like a lot of French vehicles like the Char 25t every single time it went up it got buffed. That buff indirectly caused the vehicle to go up again and again and again until it hit 8.0
Simply put it’s better to test the waters with a vehicle before just buffing it, currently the Su-30 are some of the only vehicles pulling above 1.0 KDs at 13.3, that already tells you they shouldn’t be there and likely they’ll start to match other 13.7 vehicles KD wise once moved up. Again it’s better to see how they perform before we give them a buff and given gaijins track record of certain premiums they get buffs without needing them
I suggested the BMPT as an example which I hoped you would’ve seen but that’s on me for not explaining it.
The BMPT was always a much higher tier BR tank than its contemporaries at 10.3 gaijin didn’t buff it and moved it to 10.7 and it still over performed, and they’ve been bumping it up without buffs until recently with the changes to Relikt.
I’d like the Su-30 prems to move up to see if they begin to struggle at which point gaijin can decide to buff the vehicle or leave it as is.
I’m fully aware of the BMPT, the Char 25t, and the AMX-50 (TO90/930). The latter two are completely overtiered right now, but that’s another major issue I was planning on talking about next week, if you can believe it.
No hard feelings over any of this. I just want to hear people’s opinions in a civil manner and learn more about the capabilities of these aircraft. I’d also like to see these things tested out, which is why I made the poll in the first place.
As it stands, no sources can be found to support the extra missiles, and it’s something they could always add in the future if they decide to nerf the RVV-AE missiles, like they’ve thankfully just done with the R-73. The aircraft would essentially be a heavier Su-27SM at 13.7, or 14.0 if they decompress the battle ratings. The reason the Su-34 sits higher than the Su-30 is because it has more advanced air-to-surface weapons. The Su-30 and Su-34 currently carry the same number of missiles, but 8 out of the 10 missiles on the Su-34 can be R-77s, whereas the Su-30MK2 can’t do that.
The Su-34 is a strike aircraft, while the Su-30MK2 is a multirole aircraft. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Is the R73 change not just a bug? Cause I haven’t seen any bug reports so I genuinely am not in the loop rn. I remember BVVD stated thrust vectoring was changed with the addition of NOMADS so I figured it was standard dev server wonk like when Gripen and Su-27 could flip upside without taking off then proceed to take off while upside down
It’s good to be an honest player who can acknowledge when there’s a problem. It’s only fair that everyone has an equal chance in air battles, and as of right now, the aircraft is broken at 13.3.
That point will probably go in one ear and out the other, because I’ve seen your replies in the F-14D discussion and you clearly enjoy abusing the Su-30 in its current state. No offense but discussing this with you is pointless.
I heard they nerfed the R-73 on the dev server, so it can’t pull off the crazy maneuvers it used to in dogfights anymore, which now gives players a much fairer chance. The maneuvers the R-73 was capable of were absolutely insane.
This is an issue with how the aircraft is performing at 13.3. I also wanted to find out whether or not the aircraft can use the dual pylons. I’m not a particularly good Su-30 pilot, and it took me a while to get the hang of it. Eventually, I found the right way to make it work, which led to some pretty good results. The fact that someone like me is making a post about this thing being too good speaks volumes.
Now I understand why so many people hate this aircraft. That’s why I’ve been doing research and trying to find solutions for how we can stop it from stomping players in downtiers.
You’ll completely ignore all of this because you abuse the aircraft.
Problems with skill is main reason.The plane gives bad players a lot of missiles as many as 10 of them. And it’s easy for a weak player to get their first kill, while on others, spamming missiles is impossible and requires brainpower. And of course, these people only come up with one. “The Su-30 is too strong, not me.” This is what global statistics show.
No, I look at statistics. The most reliable indicator. The ones that tell the whole story, without bias or personal opinion. That’s exactly what you’re ignoring. Facts.
So basically, its even less right that the premium Su30 should get the r77-1 than the f14d should get the aim120. As the radar of the Su30 and su27sm was never updated to fire the r77-1 unlike the f14d which actually fired it (aim120), successfully in tests.
Honestly, F-14D maybe shouldn’t get AIM120s
If it could carry 6 of those I expect it to have to sit at 13.7
Which wouldn’t be good for the airframe at all
I have spoken to people who do have it and do well with them and have flown planes worse than them (MiG-29N and SMT) and do well in both. (Those people are better than both of us combined and also say that it is op and needs to go up)
Imagine what damage I could do with a plane that’s infinitely better at the same br
I also have lots of experience with almost every top tier plane or at least an equivalent in the game and am a pretty good player, I would hope I am capable of getting an accurate idea of how good a vehicle is before playing it.
They used an F-14A as the testbed for the AIM-120, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that the aircraft should be able to fire them. Remember to vote for a tech tree version.
I’m not saying it should either, honestly I’d want it to have its aim54c+ fixed to historical accuracy, not its gimped state rn. I’m just arguing for why the Su30 MK2 and mkk shouldn’t get the r77-1
