Su-27SM's Radar is so Shit

ah, i would recommend not taking those, they add too much weight, though they are still fairly good if you want to take them along, especially if you find yourself with lots of SP

Gaijob just doesn’t know how to model radars

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They don’t. They just copy a similar radar to show and put some random stats in.

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You can file a bug report with how many sources you want but the range is 120 km. They would fix patterns but not range

J-11a should have the N001VE MSA radar.

That is of course, for balancing reasons…

makes no sense. If i see doesn’t mean that i can engage. We don’t have the missiles for that. I needs like 60 km’s of range more, and HPRF modes

Would you rather have more info or less info?

That’s what i am saying i need more modes and more modes for further targets. Idc that i cannot engage at 150 km’s.

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That was my point but I said it in a weird way, GAIJING modify these things based off 0 data, and N001 is better than what it is in game.

@k_stepanovich

Is there a technical or historical reason behind not allowing Su-27SM to launch R-77 in IRST track mode?

Since in IRST track, you have both distance and speed information, i.e. you have the same information that you would have in TWS radar track mode.

So why would you not be able to launch R-77 while in IRST track mode?

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absolutely not

Well, if you want to be ready for what’s to come yes
Other than that ? nope

9km acm and hmd, trash radar, 1 datalink channel, maw that’s pretty much useless because it will dump ALL your countermeasures and bad RWR… it’s just bad all around

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Because we cannot launch missiles in Passive or Visual mode. What you are asking for is LOAL and would be implemented as far back as the Aim-7C if done correctly. I have a bug report on this somewhere that has gone unanswered with documentation for nearly 2 years.

Essentially if you launch in IRST mode you are running Passive or LOAL with zero guidance. Which isn’t currently allowed in game.

We actually had the ability to launch even the R-27 in IRST mode when MiG-29 was first added.
It was something that they intentionally disabled.

Now it might be realistic for R-27 given that it’s a SARH missile. But it doesn’t seem a realistic limitation for R-77 given that all you need to supply it with, especially when launching inside the active range, is azimuth, range and closure rate.

In fact even outside of the active range, I don’t see why you shouldn’t be able to supply the missile with the information you are receiving from IRST, through datalink.

Well we already have LOAL.
That’s how Fox 3 missiles are able to be guided using datalink, until they get into active range.

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Which one should I do first, F16 or JH7A? I do want CAS but is the AIM7M at 13.0 worth grinding for, cause the mavericks do look quite good, and I need to grind through all the modifications, not sure how PL8s fare in 12.3 without radar missiles or great maneuverability.

Get the JH-7, probably sits at a more playable BR than the rest

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JH-7A is a fun plane but if you never played an f-16 then get the f-16mlu. But f-16 mlu’s 13.0 BR is kinda bad rn, 12.3 is better but you get 13.3 up tiers a lot too.

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@k_stepanovich

If there is a historical / technical reason to not allow the launch of R-77 in IRST track mode, can you at least implement an auto sensor switch, so that if you try to turn on the seeker of the radar missiles (R-77 / R-27) while you are in IRST track mode, it would automatically switch to radar track?

This would somewhat remedy the problem of 10km ACM/HMS range of the soviet top tier radars.

How is PL8 cause I have suffered enough of no radar missile shit last version in the J7E and PL5B wasn’t the best thing to use. I am also thinking about stock grind cause which is more helpful, full aspect or SARH?

PL8 is a basic 9L but is fast and pulls more. It is a good missile. J-7E and the PL5B are very good for their BR because of their extreme acceleration and short burn time. When you only have an IR missile, try positioning yourself behind the enemy during the first engagement and avoid getting spotted. Always help teammates with someone behind them for an easy IR missile kill.