The TWS tracks in the Su-27 are slow enough to update that they might as well not be there in the standard TWS mode.
The F-15 gives target location for more reliably and much faster if you know how to use the radar. Tailoring the scan pattern for the situation is a big tool that is under utilized by most players.
You are assuming the scan pattern doesn’t just miss the enemy the first time or that there is no change in altitude between the first and second scans that it takes to IFF the target.
It’s the most usable mode because it reduces the refresh time.
HMD has nothing to do with the radar and radar detection. There is no scan/detection mode where the radar is slaved to the HMD.
You probably don’t know how to use it then or just don’t have any experience in actual sim battles. I know that 90 percent of the custom games you play have Air RB markers turned on.
If you can pick me up with IRST…I can pick you up with radar. The range limitation of IRST is pretty severe and it is not able to IFF.
It’s also not like experienced sim players are unfamiliar with the concept of flying around the map with IRST or the radar turned off.
F5E is a perfectly capable fighter. It’s got the modern RWR, which identifies and gives direction/distance to whoever turns on their radar on the map. You could almost say (aside from launching R24R’s) the 23MLD’s radar is a detriment going up against F5E. If 23MLD scans anywhere in the F5’s vicinity (doesn’t have to actually find the F5), the F5 will know and can hone in with high accuracy on the location of the 23MLD. It’s RWR both serves as detection and IFF. It’s also about the only flight model that didn’t get nerfed when most other 3rd gen stuff was 2 months ago.
I think you severely underestimate just how good the survivability and situational awareness of the A10C is. Couple that with 4x invisible IRCCM missiles, tight turn radius, best gun in the game, MAWS and unlimited flares.
I agree, they used to be more on par IMO, JA37C made up for worse/unique FM and worse missiles with much greater radar/situational awareness. RWR rework/changes and FM changes didn’t work too much in JA37C’s favour. JA37C also went up 0.3 BR.
bruh US mains never disappoint. they got multiple aim-120 slingers at 13.0 and us mains never complained about this shit, but this mf thinks ERs will be a problem of climbing. SUDDENLY
im not even at jets for USA lmao, im a british main. But multiple? they got an av 8 just as we have a shar, cant think of any other 120 slingers at 13.0 apart from them for us. Plus, an r27er is harder to defeat than a 120.
3 harriers (us, brit, italy) depending on the setup, f4f ice also depending on the setup, both late viggens (tech tree and premium) and kfir c.10. so thats at LEAST 3 depending on the setup. Apart from that, F-14 has 6 phoenixes that are notchable only in small window of 5-15 seconds after launch (unless you aren’t playing a flat map, which is not possible 8/10 times a day since bluefor plays only the easiest flattest maps in existence like denmark, sinai or tunisia, etc).
Then its a long time of RWR earrape, and then the last small opportunity window to dodge it with sharp crank when its 300-500m away from you. Otherwise you explode from a proxy fuze since that missile has 60kg of TntEq.
For this exact reason you’ll die if you attempt to multipath it. And US has 3 of those tomcats on 12.3-12.7, the only thing stopping them from ruining lobbies is the absolute absence of skill and game knowledge on US mains part.
Also let`s not downplay the fact that premium hornet (which sold and sells, and will be sold the most out of all the hornets in the game, quite possibly the most out of all the premium toptier planes in the game) has the best radar, RWR, HUD, airframe, gun placement, missile count (for its size) at the entire <13.0
In what world SARH missile “is harder to defeat” than ARH missile? How come your thought process put SARH(continuous radar tracking of a SINGLE target only, until impact) higher than ARH(fire and forget, multiple datalinks in TWS mode) in terms of strength and effectiveness in first place???
(???)
Also, there is absolutely no logic that can justify Su-27 sitting higher than: F-15A(in 3 nations), F-14B, F/A-18c early, Gripen A, and all other mentioned fox-3 carriers. The fact that su-27 sits at a bracket, where it ALWAYS plays against absolute toptier, whilst being GENERATIONS behind it is yet another case of gaijin intentionally ruining the game for more sales.
That said away, god`s witness, bluefor playerbase en masse still sucks at the game even when having quantitatively and qualitatively superior vehicle pool. And it sure will continue to do so even after F-35 comes out
Britain has the Sea Harrier FA2 (which is arguably the weakest aircraft at 13.0 at the moment)
Israel has the Kfir C10
That is all the ARH slingers you really need to worry about from bluefor side because if you are dying to an F-14 its a major skill issue.
The strongest ARH slinger by a country mile at 13.0 though is the F4F ICE which is 99.99% of the time on the Redfor side and I have never seen it on the bluefor side.
Italy with the AV-8B+ quite often appears on Red for too
The Viggen DI can be on either team, so just pick a lobby with Sweden if you dislike fighting them.
The fact is, Bluefor should actually have access to stronger ARH slingers to counter the ICE such as the Tornado F3 Late but has been so far denied.
They are. Once they go active, you only have to defeat the radar within the seeker as they no longer recieve updates from the launch aircraft. These seekers are just a basic radar that can be notched very easily. SARH requires defeating the launch aircrafts radar and many can be extremely hard to chaff/notch. Also, SARH with IOG such as R-24R, R-27ER and Aim-7P can be very dangerous even after being chaffed. The only major advantage with ARH is that they can attack and defend simutaneously.
I know from playing the Tornado Gr4 in 13.0 brackets, that an AMRAAM fired from an F4F ICE is easier to defeat than an R-27ER from a Mig-29
As does the Tornado F3 Late, and J-11A, and Mig-29SMT and probably a few others im forgetting. Should they all be moved down to 13.0? Probably a fair few 13.7s too.
What is needed is a new set of BR brackets that includes a 12.3-13.3 bracket and then move several 13.0s up, lets try and avoid making 13.0 stupidly compressed. We likewise need a 11.3-12.3 bracket and that would allow us to sort out the mess that is 12.3/12.7 aircraft at the moment, more than a few could end up at 13.0, but also you have aircraft that can fianlly operate at 12.3 and not 12.7
This is just pure cope.
Or do I need to remind you that the Mig-23MLD is at 11.3 and its direct bluefor counters such as the F-4S, F-4J and Tornado F3 are all 12.0
germany is the only country that cant be matchmaked with the US on the same team
yeah which poses the plane with SARH missiles at an extrem disadvantage compared to an arh slinger
F-16a vs Mig-29
F-14 vs Mig-29
F-18A/C early vs Mig-29
and i still see ppl complain about the Mig-29 in some matches
this is what the 12.7 bracket looks like all day and it only gets slightly better for red side on 13.0 days where they have the F-4F ICE and the Mig-29G
but bluefor gets F-15A, the ARH Harriers and the Ja-37Di/ Grippen depending on the match maker
as it stand Blufor gets alot more planes on 13.0 days than Redfor, independent of the match maker
and then there are also match makers like this:
blue side profits alot more than the already suffering red side on 13.0 days
Tornado F3, Or Harrier Gr7 or Tornado GR4 vs Mig-29, which sucks. I hate dealing with R-27ERs and really wish they swapped the loadout out to its historical fit, Id much rather deal with R-73s than R-27ERs
Perhaps, but I still dont see why moving a load of 13.3s down to 13.0 is the right solution for that though.
Just sounds like making the problem worse, not better and I really dont want to deal with Su-27 in the Tornado F3 or Sea Harrier FA2. Especially as we dont even get access to the Tornado F3 Late to counter the ICE yet (which I find really really annoying)
Id still prefer a 13.3 bracket and the ICE to move up than the F3 Late to move down though
This is just the problem with people making bad lobbies. In this soviets are actually matched with the US.
Which can be on either team, last time I played a 11.0-12.0 match, I pretty much exclusively fought Mirage F1Cs in the Tornado F3. But If I try to play something like the Tornado Gr1, im actually a higher BR than the Mig-23MLD or if I try and play the Sea Harrier FRS1 im the same BR.
Honestly, imo, the biggest issue with the 12.7 and 13.0 brackets is the lack of any redfor Premiums. US has the F-4S, F-20A and F-18 all above 12.0. USSR and Germany have none. This means you get a lot more bluefor playing these brackets and redfor mostly playing the 11.3 bracket where they are absolutely dominant without counter. Everytime ive tried to play the Tornado GR4 since the last major update, every match has been US vs US, so this isnt really even an issue at the moment.
