Su-27 SIM BR

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@TheArcticFoxxo

And the Su-27 does just that, with refresh times doing very little to aid. As I’ve been saying multiple times now, you have IRST for a passive track that shows exactly where the enemy is, and they won’t be given any information as to how far away you are nor what kind of aircraft you are… Or even your direction and height.

The TWS tracks in the Su-27 are slow enough to update that they might as well not be there in the standard TWS mode.

@TheArcticFoxxo

Ah yes, speed a direction… Two things the F-15A isn’t given by its radar while the Su-27 is.

The F-15 gives target location for more reliably and much faster if you know how to use the radar. Tailoring the scan pattern for the situation is a big tool that is under utilized by most players.

@TheArcticFoxxo

Is there any reason why they wouldn’t? You don’t need to wait for multiple refreshes on TWS to be able to lock an enemy… You simply acquire and lock.

You are assuming the scan pattern doesn’t just miss the enemy the first time or that there is no change in altitude between the first and second scans that it takes to IFF the target.

@TheArcticFoxxo

It’s quite literally TWS but worse.

It’s the most usable mode because it reduces the refresh time.

@TheArcticFoxxo

Not having TWS nor an HMD is less functionality, as well as having it displayed in a worse method.

HMD has nothing to do with the radar and radar detection. There is no scan/detection mode where the radar is slaved to the HMD.

@TheArcticFoxxo

Tall scan mode is effective for locking somebody in your control zone, not attempting to find some mystically hidden enemy on a somewhat hard backdrop.

You probably don’t know how to use it then or just don’t have any experience in actual sim battles. I know that 90 percent of the custom games you play have Air RB markers turned on.

@TheArcticFoxxo

True, though that mostly plays into its defensive capabilities still. It would be quite easy to turn that into an attack, though nowhere near as much as an IRT indication.

If you can pick me up with IRST…I can pick you up with radar. The range limitation of IRST is pretty severe and it is not able to IFF.

It’s also not like experienced sim players are unfamiliar with the concept of flying around the map with IRST or the radar turned off.

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@Morvran

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F5E.

Has no IFF and relatively weak rear aspect IR missiles only (and only 2 of them)

F5E is a perfectly capable fighter. It’s got the modern RWR, which identifies and gives direction/distance to whoever turns on their radar on the map. You could almost say (aside from launching R24R’s) the 23MLD’s radar is a detriment going up against F5E. If 23MLD scans anywhere in the F5’s vicinity (doesn’t have to actually find the F5), the F5 will know and can hone in with high accuracy on the location of the 23MLD. It’s RWR both serves as detection and IFF. It’s also about the only flight model that didn’t get nerfed when most other 3rd gen stuff was 2 months ago.

@Morvran

If you are being killed by an A-10C in a Mig-23MLD that is a major skill issue

I think you severely underestimate just how good the survivability and situational awareness of the A10C is. Couple that with 4x invisible IRCCM missiles, tight turn radius, best gun in the game, MAWS and unlimited flares.

@Morvran

JA37C which is notable less powerful than MLD

AIm-9Ps vs R-60Ms
Skyflash DFs vs R-24s
48 LCMs vs 60 LCMs

I agree, they used to be more on par IMO, JA37C made up for worse/unique FM and worse missiles with much greater radar/situational awareness. RWR rework/changes and FM changes didn’t work too much in JA37C’s favour. JA37C also went up 0.3 BR.

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@Morvran

I steam roll the Mig-23MLDs in it and even quite happily fight the Mirage 2Ks (you out stick them in the BVR and then outrun them afterwards, just dont try to turn fight them) and even quite happily wiped out a F-14A (you have better SARH, Better RWR and Better radar) and that is all before the new FM.

BVR can be negated by flat maps and multi-pathing.

F-14 has the same SARH missiles in one case. Or it has better SARH and good ARH in the case of the Iranian one.

The new FM is still not going to cause it to win any dogfights. It will only slightly less frequently compress and smash into the ground.

@Morvran

F3 is an exceptionally good aircraft these days, Just needs BOL fixed or Phimat. Pretty much its only weakness these days is having essentially non-funcitonal CMs. Main reason why I havent touched the F3 Late yet to spade it. Just a shame there is no 12.3 bracket so it only has 1/4 its playable as it stands no chance vs the 12.7s it faces.

I disagree. It is only good when it is fighting at 12.0 and lower.

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Wait a minute is that fully loaded F-15A vs empty loaded Su-27 ?

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I carried missiles for some of them because I didn’t have a clean load out that is pre-made.