Tried Su-27 for a couple of matches… And it’s bad. Even with standard for me around 2 kills per death it’s a disaster. You can’t go at high altitude cos you won’t have enough time to dive if being attacked by FOX-3. You can’t be sure of who’s flying in front of you without RWR. You can’t know how far the threat is and it’s type. You have to fly low trying to lock the enemy flying high towards you with your HMD, staying below 50 m and flaring/avoiding extra fox-2 missile. And the worst part - in case you wasn’t able to pull your enemy into dogfight you can’t even escape cos you are literally one of the slowest planes near the ground at 13.3+. This is ridiculous. Pls don’t tell me about 10 missiles and good turning abilities. R-73 and R-27ET are cool. But they are nothing compared to good RWR, FOX-3 and tonns of flares. I have no doubt we have aces with 5+ k/d on this plane in sim. But you only need to take a look at stats of players you meet in matches. 0.5 K/D on all planes and 1-2 K/D with Rafale and Typhoon. Su-27 is really unplayable at the moment for a regular player.
It fine on 13.3, but more brackets needed
Yeah, that’s exactly what I wanted to do.
What is needed is a 12.3-13.3 bracket which may now be possible with the introduction of 14.0.
Many aircraft are screwed by the fact they only face the top tier aircraft.
This, the same issue is present for a lot of aircraft and not just the SU-27, SIM brackets need to be further diversified.
13.3 would be HEAVILY refor sided in sim though. The only thing blufor gets is the tornado.
True, but the only major ARH slinger for Redfor would be the Mig-29SMT if im not mistaken. So it would be mostly SARH vs SARH like F-15A vs Su-27, just with a few F3 Lates vs ICEs going on around it.
I’d still prefer a 12.3-13.3 bracket though than watch 13.0 become even more heavily redfor sided. ICE is dominating that bracket at the moment.
Also with a 12.3-13.3 bracket maybe we can also get a 11.3-12.3 bracket in there somewhere too, that would be a really big boost for a lot of aircraft. Especially given that 11.3 and 11.7 brackets are redfor biased massively.
They’d also get the su34, which doesn’t have the hmd and irst, but does have the pesa radar and r77, plus it can spam r27et. I’m all for more brackets, i just don’t think 13.3 would be a good one right now. We need more blufor 13.3s. Perhaps f18c could be 13.3 if they don’t give it c-5.
True, I forgot about that thing. We’ll have to wait and see. If nothing else. Would be nice if the F3 Late was playable and with a 13.3 bracket the ICE could move back tot 13.3 so that the 13.0 was somewhat balanced.
If ice goes back up to 13.3 the kfir c.10 needs to as well. Its got a better fm, more cm pops, and better radar and still 4x arh, even if the derby is mid.
yeah, im fine with that
The ARH slingers at 13.0 should be those with limitations like the FA2, AV-8B+, J-8F, Viggen Di, F-14A, etc.
Possibly need the F-15A to move up to 13.3 as well with a 12.3-13.3 bracket though, as the Su-27 is its rough equal.
its perfectly fine, just side climb
What will you do when you get attacked by FOX-3 with your side climb? Man, you didn’t even play Su-27 in sim. Why are you replying to this post?
… what?
If you look at the relative performance of non-ARH slingers in the 12.3-13.0 bracket. The F-15A/Baz/J are notably strong. Only really countered by the Mig-29G or F-16MLU. But both are likely to struggle a little.
Now, when you look at ARH slingers like the ICE, it becomes less of an issue and the F-15A is the only reasoanble counter for the ICE at that BR at the moment, but if ICE and F-15A were to move up, then that bracket would become fairly well balanced. Also means the Su-27 can remain at 13.3 as well.
Only real exception is the Gripen A, but that does have some notable weaknesses and can appear on either team.
Of course that change should come with the intro of a 12.3-13.3 bracket.
you want non ARH using craft to fight ARH using craft???!?!
What exactly would change?
F-15A would go from fighting ICE at 13.0 with no reasonable ARH backup to fighting the ICE, Mig-29SMT and Su-34s but now with Tornado F3 Lates covering their six.
how is a plane that has to keep a constant radar lock with its aim 7s going to fight ARH ?
The exact same way it does at 13.0 Vs the ICE and Viggen…