If it were me I would add each variant ('43, '44, postwar) separately, possibly in a folder
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Some extra pictures to add to the topic, from Wikimedia Commons.
Also notable is a good shot of the DT mount in this picture.
Hopefully we see this in-game one day, ideally in separate variants.
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At first it sounds bit odd, but it could be fine. Other trees have a load of Shermans, Panzer IVs and T-34s on the same BR, so why not 3x StuGs? One of them should probably still go as a premium.
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You surely need to split '43, '44 and '51 into different suggestion as there is enough differences between them to justify separate additions. '43 and '51 would be great additions as researchable vehicles while '44 as premium. Especially '51 would be potent and interesting vehicle with the APDS round if it was ever produced in physical form.
Again, I think you really need to create three different suggestion for each version, they may not have big differences but having access to different version in form of research and premium would do good for Swedish Tech Tree. You already have all the sources and materials you need, just split the current suggestion.
Is there any other secondary sources ? If you can find I highly suggest you to create a separate suggestion of Stu-40 (1951) with APDS round. Alternatively you can try and contact the website owner and ask for his source about APDS.
It would be similar to Pvkv m/43 (1946) and Pvkv m/43 (1963) in terms of placement and performance. And since SAV 20.12.48 is not accessible all the time '44 Stu-40 would be quite nice premium at Rank III.
- Stu-40 (1943), 4.0 Research
- Stu-40 (1944), 4.0 Premium
- Stu-40 (1951), 5.0 Research
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No I haven’t found anything else about the APDS. I’d guess there is something about it in Finnish archives. That text of course strongly implies it was build and tested.
I also thought about making separate suggestions, but then again each one would have to pass separately, which could take forever and even that doesn’t guarantee anything. Developers should be able to see the combined potential better like this.
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Exactly 80 years ago 4.6.1944 Marshal Mannerheim’s birthday parade. He turned 77 that day. Few days later Soviets started a massive assault where Finnish StuGs got into action for the first time.
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Think I’ll try contacting the museum in Finland to get details about rest of the armor upgrades. Here are few close photos about the driver’s visor, which would probably be the most important thing in game, since everyone shoots it there. To me it looks like 10-15mm. At that angle it would probably add just enough to make that area immune to US 75mm and Soviet 76mm, which are common foes for StuG.
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A +1 from me, would be nice to get more Finnish vehicles. I’m honestly somewhat surprised a Sturmi didn’t pop up from the get go
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Maybe the most important would be the different machine gun mount on some of them. One with gun shield appears to be more common, but at least a couple had it without that.
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This should’ve been included in the Finish subtree at the very start.
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Normally I dont like adding vehicles to multiple tech-trees, but the finnish Stug with Concrete armour is unique enough that it should be obvious which is which, even in Simulator.
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Surprised it inst already ingame.
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While looking at the same website under the Assault gun category. I attempted to find some specs on the Stu 40 G 1944 mod, the logs Gajin probably already has a thickness for them as for the concrete armor the website never specifies and I guarantee the Museum probably doesn’t know how thick they are due to not wanting to damage the armor trying to get measurements. FINNISH ARMY 1918 - 1945: ASSAULT GUNS I would suggest trying to make a rough estimate of how many MMs of thickness the concrete would add based off what they already have listed.
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Logs are usually 100mm in the game, and has a x0.05 multiplier, basically meaning a tree log adds 5mm of armor. I think the naval gamemode has concrete in it, which has a x0.35 multiplier, so just a bit more than one third of the effectiveness of regular RHA.
The right side looks to be the one with the thickest concrete, looking like 300mm+ from the horizontal, while the left side looks to only have maybe around 50mm. But I honestly don’t know if it matters, since the two frontal weakspots are still pretty exposed, and where the concrete is shells usually bounce off anyway.
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For 1944 mod they would need to simply add a similar looking concrete blob as volumetric armor. It’s unlikely that precise casting anyway. Perhaps someone in Bovington might know roughly how thick it is, since it was likely made there. I’ll check what Larka’s book says about 531-44 next week.
The right side concrete is important, since part of it remained in many post-war vehicles. Larka’s mentions about it are a bit strange. There might be an extra steel plate over there as well.
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Ps.541-44 “Maija” was first displayed in rusty condition in Bovington tank museum. At some point it was restored to look like German service StuG, but with the big driver’s visor and DT machine gun shield. These days it has concrete casting, logs and other late 1944 Finnish service modifications.
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Hope to see +1
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Should add both the normal Stug III and the Sturmi 1944 separately. +1
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