Any information on the APDS round? :>
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From FINNISH ARMY 1918 - 1945: ANTITANK GUNS PART 2 just this:
“One might wonder how successful 75 K/40 could have been as antitank-weapon for example in 1960’s. The Cold War era tank development kept tank development going hard and new generation of better armoured tanks would have been a hard nut to crack with world War 2 ammunition used in 75 K/40. Finnish military was aware of this and circa 1960 - 1961 it was testing new APDS-type ammunition capable for 220-mm armour penetration from shooting distance of 1,000 meters with 90-degree angle of impact. However apparently this new ammunition type did not see mass production.”
No idea about the source as he lists so many. It could be from Finnish archives.
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Help still needed!!
If we hope to have the 1944 or post war modified StuGs, we need to find someone to measure thickness of these add-on armor pieces:
-driver’s visor
-loader’s front plate
-commader’s deflector plate
-concrete
-logs
Many of these StuGs still exists in Finland and few in foreign museums. You can check their location from list or one by one from photos.
531-44 in Bovington Tank Museum has most of the 1944 modifications.
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I voted for post war, but I would be happy with any of them. +1
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What is the loader’s front plate? Also, for the commander’s plate, I don’t know if this helps but here is this image from my topic:
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Thank you! The cupola shield looks very much the same.
I’m not quite certain what the loader’s add-on armor is made of. Somewhere Larka mentioned a welded steel plate and in other part 50mm of concrete. It could be both.
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It seems to reach all the way to the hatch on the hull.
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I did vote the 1944 modification, but i think the best way to implement this, would be to have it as the 1943 modification as standard and then it is possible to install the 1944 modification as an uparmor package, like the modules for the Pz IV H that adds tracklinks to their hull and turret.
No. It is too important of a vehicle to be treated in that fashion, plus none of the numerously identical T-34s function like this in-game. For example, you can’t get a T-3485 by installing a 1944 modification on a T-34 (1940) and neither should it be with the Stug III G
The more Sturmis the merrier I’d say, but I think seeing at least two variants in-game would be ideal. Here’s a rather good picture from 1951 showing both an earlier and a later G model in post-war configuration, and how they’ve been modified in different ways when it comes to storage, headlights, etc
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Pair of these drivable StuGs still appear in parades and few movies as well. These photos are from 2006-2016.
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Perhaps the 1943 modification could go into the tech-tree and the 1944 one could be added as a premium.
To me the concrete armor, logs and extra plates look like premium material.
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Help is still needed to measure the add-on armor pieces.
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If it were me I would add each variant ('43, '44, postwar) separately, possibly in a folder
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Some extra pictures to add to the topic, from Wikimedia Commons.
Also notable is a good shot of the DT mount in this picture.
Hopefully we see this in-game one day, ideally in separate variants.
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At first it sounds bit odd, but it could be fine. Other trees have a load of Shermans, Panzer IVs and T-34s on the same BR, so why not 3x StuGs? One of them should probably still go as a premium.
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You surely need to split '43, '44 and '51 into different suggestion as there is enough differences between them to justify separate additions. '43 and '51 would be great additions as researchable vehicles while '44 as premium. Especially '51 would be potent and interesting vehicle with the APDS round if it was ever produced in physical form.
Again, I think you really need to create three different suggestion for each version, they may not have big differences but having access to different version in form of research and premium would do good for Swedish Tech Tree. You already have all the sources and materials you need, just split the current suggestion.
Is there any other secondary sources ? If you can find I highly suggest you to create a separate suggestion of Stu-40 (1951) with APDS round. Alternatively you can try and contact the website owner and ask for his source about APDS.
It would be similar to Pvkv m/43 (1946) and Pvkv m/43 (1963) in terms of placement and performance. And since SAV 20.12.48 is not accessible all the time '44 Stu-40 would be quite nice premium at Rank III.
- Stu-40 (1943), 4.0 Research
- Stu-40 (1944), 4.0 Premium
- Stu-40 (1951), 5.0 Research
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No I haven’t found anything else about the APDS. I’d guess there is something about it in Finnish archives. That text of course strongly implies it was build and tested.
I also thought about making separate suggestions, but then again each one would have to pass separately, which could take forever and even that doesn’t guarantee anything. Developers should be able to see the combined potential better like this.
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