Most auto loaders are slower than they are IRL as auto loaders have to be loaded one of 2 ways, either with the ammo types in a block where they get the maximum speed for consecutive shots with the same ammo type, but take significantly longer to rotate to a new ammo type. Or they can be loaded with staggered ammo types: APFSDS/HE/HEAT/APFSDS/HE/HEAT etc. which allows for a faster switch of ammo type at the cost of slower repeat firing of the same ammo type as the autoloader has to move multiple “slots” for the next round. Gaijin uses a longer reload time to copy the 2nd loading pattern.
just because you cant just park in the middle of the road and ignore the enemys’ fire anymore doesn’t make it underpowered. Pulling up its stats on statshark it has a much higher K/D than any of the T-72s or Leo 1s around the same BR, so people are still doing well in it. maybe it just doesn’t suit your playstyle.
kd doesnt mean shit. Sweden is a minor nation so new plays don’t really flock to it. Strv103 is also a quirky tank so only people who know what they are doing play it. So that means higher kd and higher winrate and thus higher br. This is the main reason french players get shafted every br change.
Ah yes the ‘ignore enemy fire’ tank that effectively loses combat capability from every penetrating hit. Even the 103A is only well armored when at distance or when hull down. When 2/3 of your games are city maps with little to no ranged combat, its not a tank you take out every match.
STRV103 autoloader has two ammo bins and can swap between them easily. It doesn’t have any of the problems you mention. By the 1960s almost every nation had ammo bin autoloaders rather than carousel or revolver… except russia. We shouldn’t be balancing all autoloaders on Russia’s failings.
As for stats, a lot of the minor nations have very skewed stats for two reasons. Fewer people play them, especially not newer players. You go to that nation because you are looking for a specific type of combat. Many of them have harder grinds to go through, weeding out weaker players (french low teir, sweden 4.3-6.7). Secondly, you don’t bring out a stv103 in a city. Its suicide. You play it on maps where it has heavy advantages. Thats not the case of leos or T72s. They are generalist tanks and can be brought to any map. You also have the option to just leave matches that don’t correspond to you nations specialty. Sure, you get crew locked, but you can just play another nation.
Not true, both Type 90/10s and Leclerc’s use a conveyor belt auto loader that has to rotate to the right round, same as Russian tanks, although the French load the ammo in pairs in the Leclerc allow a quick follow up shot. Auto loaders are balanced on the most common implementation of the system, which both in game and reality is cassette/carousel/conveyor. Feel free to but in a bug report about the STRV being implemented differently though.
I have my doubts about that theory, more likely they see the vehicles preform well, they buy a premium and infest top tier with ODLing until they grind out their perceived OP thing then proceed to tank its stats until they get frustrated and quite.
Either way Gaijins methods of calculating BR needs work
If i am “bro” that you are referring to
Both strv103’s were so OP when downtiered that they were literal money printing seal clubbers
103 needs to go even more up( and not just it) in br until gaijin wakes up and separates WWII from mid cold war era.
Having such vehicles at such br’s is just a joke.
Maybe Gaijin should move BVM/A7/A2 and few others down to 9.0 for few months so those that enjoy farming kills in mid tiers with their OP garbage get their dose of same medication.
8.7 vehicles see next to no World War 2 Vehicles. There are far stronger 8.7 tanks than a stupid cheese wedge that can’t aim properly on rough surfaces.
It’s not as good as you seem to think. Especially when you don’t own it and are at reserve for Sweden.
As a Merkava main, no, they don’t. That’s a funny joke.
Israel 8.7 is one of my most played BR’s and I’ve never had a single issue fighting a Strv 103C. They’re a joke vehicle with next to no utility. My Gimel has DM23, a Stabilizer, ERA, and a Laser Range Finder and is lower in BR. My Magach 5 is 8.0 and has DM23, ERA, and a Rangefinder.
All the Strv has going for it is reload rate, but it lacks a turret and stabilizer, and aiming is very difficult.
Seems that you are the one that is “bro”
Both were seeing maus/105/ferdi/tiger 2 for how long 3 years …
99 % of all kills that users of 103 a have are either german/russian wwii heavies or american post war heavies
75mm/85mm/88mm/90mm have no chance penning it frontally except some lucky shot trough track
Same thing with 103 c in downtier
Protection analysis hasn’t worked since gaijin introduced their own made up pen calculator so stop using it to prove your “point”
The Merkava uses the exact same engine and transmission armor design. The Merkava was partly built from inspiration of the Strv 103. You’re not seeing the connection for some reason?
No, it’s not my opinion. It’s a turretless, unstabilized, and pathetically armored tank destroyer with terrible ergonomics.
This isn’t your first time making bad takes about tanks, however.
No, it’s not unrelated. They were the same BR and the 103C should return to it.
AMX, you’re always griping about Merkava armor in my threads yet you’re saying the Strv 103 has good armor with the same layout fighting similar shells? How?
They don’t see most of those at 8.7? I’m not sure why you’re tugging at that when no one has suggested moving the 103C to 7.7 so it does.
The STRV103C does not see WW2 tanks. This point isn’t relevant. Also, I wouldn’t even consider the 103A to be that scary either. It uses APDS, which is highly unreliable. When used properly, it’s potent, but you need to actually be good at the game to use it.
Not remotely. And even if it was, once again, there are 8.7 tanks which are still stronger than it.
Dismissing Protection Analysis without providing any evidence of your own is weird. I am aware that Protection Analysis isn’t perfect, but you should know that DM23 has enough angle performance and penetration to rip straight through that plate. If you’ve played any number of 8.7 matches with decent APFSDS, you’d be aware of this.
