Good to know, thanks.
So in summary, all current and future Swedish TT MBTs should go to Germany?
akers krutbruk, the original maker of strv 122 composites was completely closed in 2021. IBD was acquired by Rheinmetall. Thus swedens tanks need to be armored by the other ibd group left over.
The last IBD subsidary left that produces Leopard 2 MEXAS/AMAP-B Armor composites is EODH in greece. They are the company that was founded to build the Leo2HEL with identical armor (improved gunner optics armor) to the STRV 122
They are the company which was subcontracted with the task of armoring the Leo 2a7V standard, Leopard 2a7HU and all new Leopard 2a8 and in turn even the STRV 123 A and B.
Unless gaijin starts believing that EODH, which is a direct IBD company daughter, has equipped all tanks with equal MEXAS/AMAP-B armor, the new Leopards and Strv 123 should recieve armor equal to the Leopard 2A7V. And thus 100mm worse than old strv 122 and Leopard2Hel, Leopard 2A6EX and TVM
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I think this might instead be an argument for increasing the Leo’s protection up to the STRV 122 (or 123?) standard since it’s been expressly stated that the 123 is better protected than the 122.
Google translated:
( https://www.fmv.se/aktuellt--press/aktuella-handelser/forsta-stridsvagn-123a-i-sverige/ )
If youre thinking logically then thats correct, Strv protection was already manufactured by IBD and just under license in Sweden. But gaijin thinks that 2Hel, Strv 122, Leopard 2A7V and Leopard 2A7HU are all different armor packages and thus they can technically all have different armor levels.
Now that its only 1 company for 2a8 and strv 123 we will see if gaijin continues to believe that or if they accept the armor packages are all the same.
Or if somehow the swedish company with their Swedish package (Misunderstanding by gaijin) has secretely transferred their swedish armor knowledge to the germans for the 2a6ex and the greeks EODH for the 2Hel but then germany choose EODH to manufacteur the worse unupgraded package (which doesnt exist) for their leopard 2a7V.
Anyway 2a8 and strv 123a/b should all come with the same armor level as that was the goal with upgrading everything and buying new tanks in the first place but we will see (or not)
That statement to me at least just reads as the 2a7s composite it better then 122🤷♀️ too bad it doesn’t matter to gajin
All with 2a7Vs armour lmao
I would like to reiterate, AGAIN, that the strv 123A did not get any significant changes to its hull, and it is entirely illogical to think that the protection would be reduced. Everyone knows that the Deutsch Leo 2A7s are under-armoured, but allowing gaijin to drop the 123A’s armour to match the incorrect value is only letting go of a point that could be used to increase the 2A7’s armour to its irl level. Even if they aren’t buffed, having the 123A at its correct protection would give a piece of in-game evidence to use in reports.
Also your diagram is wrong; it has an image of the 123A labelled as a 123B
Yea i mixed them up when i was first making them. I fixed it in version 2 of the template i made
So it is for the leopard 2A7V but im not advocating for reduced armor. Gaijin will not care about it anyway and probably model strv 123 with 850mm because of improved armor claims while 2a8s (except for norways/swe) drive around with 2a4 b tech turret cheeks and 650mm hull.
there is no point in trying as gaijin thinks the 2a7 armor package is different to those on 2Hel and Strv 122s. Nothing you will present them will actually make them think about the implications of the 2a7v recieving worse armor than the 2Hel from the company that built armor for both
You could also add STRV 122A/B and C/D to that diagram (but if its only about armour its not that important)
this is only about who manufacteured the addon armor composites for hull and turret
Incorrect to believe 123 is any different to 2a7s armour. Why would it be better
Wow the 2a7 has 2a7 armour. It’s not special
Irl, I’m not saying it is. I never said it was. That is what I have been saying the entire time, but you seem incapable of reading.
What I am saying, and what Mina understood without issue, is that the 2A7 we have in-game has the wrong protection, and if the strv 123A got that armour, it would also have the wrong armour.
Correct me if im wrong, but the first leopard to receive 7v like hull addon armour, was leopard 2a7+ QUATAR, no ? Who manufactured that and where would it fit into that diagram of yours ? Just curiosity on this one, really.
technically theres no 7v like hull addon as it seems that it is all leopard 2 addon compatible with the same dimensions hull.
But if we go by 7v like hull addon, the first were fitted to the TVM by IBD, then 2a6EX by IBD and everything points to 2A7+ also being fitted by IBD as it was still a standalone company at the time.
EODH only has that many orders now because Rheinmetall bought IBD, Swedish IBD closed and the Greek company has become independent and is thus last available to the kinds of KMW/KNDS 2A7 armor projects
123A being even stronger than 122B+ would be pretty nice. Would be a very heavily armoured lineup for sure.
Not stronger in any way apart from better thermals and 20mm of pen.
Why wouldn’t it be? The B+ just adds composites that don’t do much at all against APFSDS. And the 123 is an upgraded 122 so would have better armor.
You’d like to think the modern platform with new and improved composites would be better. There’s nothing inherently special about the 122s it’s just MEXAS in game preformes better then any modern composite while being over nearly 30 years older 🤷♀️ using how the 2a7s are CURRENTLY 123 is just a armour downgrade compared.
There’s no actually reason for the 123 to be any better then the 122 or 2a7V/2a7HU. Expecting anything else is cope.
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Ofc I’m only taking about wt here and how the game currently is