Okej? And? they can look similar while having different composites used for the add-on armour.
Except for the fact that, you know, the 122 has better armour in-game; to be absolutely clear, I’m not saying that the 2A7 should keep it’s current armour ratings, on the contrary. I am a massive advocate for realism in the models in this game; all I am saying is, as it stands, the 123A will more likely than not have the same if not better armour than the 122
They are identical. There’s not better composites they addon’s will be identical since it’s the same we see on 2a7V 2a7Q and 2a7HU if you believe it’s different then I want what your smoking.
With the current 2a7 standards it won’t. It will be worse armoured Sweden does not have some magical composites lmao it’s just German. The only possible way the 123A is better armoured is if 2a7s get buffed what I doubt they will.
AFAIK (pls dont quote me on that) there is doc./announcement which actually stated exactly what you just said. But i don’t think it specifically mentions the armor and was referring to the entire upgrade package.
But since the armor (external aswell as internal<–important part) was fundamental part of the A7 upgrade, it would be weird excluding that without ANY mention.
Gaijin won’t model the Strv 122B+'s improved composite armour, so I have no idea why anyone expects them to model the Strv 123’s armour to be superior to a Strv 122A.
I’m like 80% sure that ya’ll all just going around in a circle while misunderstanding each other but maybe thats just ma lack of sleep
the chances of the strv123a coming are so abysmal either way, there is no point.
its the lazy norwegian 2a8 addition that most likely gonna happen,
And thats the mbt for the next 2 years then
You must’ve missed it, bc it was announced in an official post that it had been passed to the devs along with a few others; that doesn’t exactly happen for many vehicles
It also doesn’t mean a whole lot. There have been some vehicles passed to the devs years ago that still haven’t been added.
Passed to the devs is a bit of a weird thing.
I ran out of copium a while ago, so I’m not smoking anything. You on the other hand have got to be on something, or else you’ve had x-ray vision from birth; how else would you know what is inside the additional armour casings? Yes, the outside casing is going to look the same, but the relevant part is what’s inside, and that could be spaghetti and meatballs for all we know. (obv its not, im just making a point)
WELL IT’S A GOOD THING THE 123A ISN’T BASED ON THE 2A7 THEN, ISN’T IT?? You seem to keep missing the part where gaijin isn’t going to base the 123A off of the in-game 2A7 or any of its variants, bc it’s an upgraded 122D (or B+ in their eyes) so it’ll have (at least*) a 122B+ hull.
*see below
I will say that there is a slim to none (leaning heavily towards none) chance that the 123A will have better armour than the 122, and I would be mostly okej with that outcome (besides 122 armour values being wrong to begin with (dw, im also upset that the Leo’s armours are wrong too)). That’s why every time I mentioned it, I stated both possibilities.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS REPLY
I would like to ask you to try to come up with a believable line of reasoning that would cause gaijin to give an upgraded Strv 122 worse armour than the Strv 122 it was upgraded from. And “It has a 2A7 hull” doesn’t count, bc it doesn’t, actually; it has a 2A5 hull that has been modified and up-armoured, and (unless I’m mistaken, in which case feel free to correct me) your only argument boils down to it having been brought to the 2A7 standard, but I would bet my life that didn’t include taking off armour.
When it comes down to it, I feel like you are just upset that the 2A7 doesn’t have it’s correct armour, and with that, I AM ON YOUR SIDE. AS I SAID MULTIPLE REPLIES AGO. Incorrect armour/damage/flight/visual models piss me tf off; so if you would, please stop trying to make the Strv 123A DOA, and focus your efforts on getting gaijin to fix the 2A7. We will end up with a much more realistic and fun (well, maybe not; this is WT after all) game for everyone.
cries in lack of KRV and Lvkv fm/43
Yeah, ik, but those didn’t get a special announcement, did they? You are right, it may not be added, but it seems like they would be inviting a tonne of backlash if they made a big thing of it, just to say “Sorry guys, devs said no”
Passed does literaly not mean anything.
Its mostly community lead and they choose what to forward at the end of a month.
There is some hardstuck swedish suggestions mods so its no wonder.
Its actual effect that being said is 0.
My statement stands the strv123a is unlikely
Logistics. Aiming to keep the parts between the A and B the same so its easier to repair and so on. Its not that hard to find a reason.
ok, then wouldn’t it be brought up to the 2A8 standard, or at least an in-between? bc the 123B is the Swedish Leo 2A8
I’m not gonna argue this one bc at its core it’s just speculation on both sides whether it’ll be added or not, but like I said in the message you replied to, you are right in saying that it isn’t guarantied
It’s upgrade is.
We had photos of them a few months ago being Remanufactured they’ve definitely been improved to a modern standard and not a 2a4.
I’m being realistic expecting the 123 to be better armoured when it’s a 2a7 spec is insane cope without a upgrade to the German leopards DM gajin isn’t going to make the 123A have some special swedish composites lmao they don’t exist.
Not quite since the swedish didn’t modify the internal composites from regular C tech instead they slapped loads of mexas on it what has a lot of mass. Modern kits because hull armour and composites have improved so much don’t need as much mass. Gajin doesn’t understand the composites have been improved so a good armoured 123 or 2a7 or even a 2a8 tbh won’t happen.
This would mean it’s even worse irl lmao since the hulls would be c tech not D tech and they were Remanufactured we had photos of it. Anyway here for some reason you think mexas wasn’t just a addon kit lol
Well… this’ll be fun…
I’m going to speedrun this, bc I don’t want to waste any more time than necessary if you aren’t going to read or acknowledge my full points:
prove it
prove it
actually, you are being the complete opposite by asking for an unrealistic strv 123A
I specifically said I wasn’t expecting that; it even had it’s own section! Fy fan…
?? what does this have to do with anything? And you are contradicting yourself; you already responded to that exact line
No, gaijin does understand internal and improved composites, they just won’t implement them.
Huh? What even-??
again, prove it
I have literally never once in my entire life mentioned MEXAS I don’t know what tf you are on about
It’s a realistic one in game. Because of how horrible they’ve modeled the 122s and 2a7s.
They literally stated when the 2a7V was added they don’t believe D tech is internally only external. Meaning the 2a7s have 30 year old hulls at that point.
You mentioned it’s addon armour that was mexas. It was a external armour kit.
Is not this whole thing that it’s not in the game yet, so we don’t know for certain how it turns out?
I thought the 122 was better than the 2A7 though? You know, bc you said the 123A, which is allegedly based on the 2A7 would have worse armour than the 122? So why are you using the 122 as an example here?
Them not believing that is a bunch of BS, as there is too much evidence for and none against; they are just lazy and/or making excuses
Actually, you will find that I didn’t mention it in the point you originally quoted; I was talking about how it’s ridiculous to think that any significant hull armour was removed when the 122s were upgraded into 123As, and thus there is no chance that gaijin would implement them with less armour than the 122
You still haven’t answered this:
nor have you provided any of the proof I asked for
Armour wise it is. In game irl ofc its not lmao
The upgrade is based on the 2a7s the hulls are upgraded to a modern specification and correct I didn’t show the photos because I couldn’t find them in the moment I’ll find them later.
And yet it’s missing the armour that makes the 122s good but has the armour of the 2a7V and 2a7HU what aren’t equivalent to 122 but worse currently so why would the 123 suddenly be better?
