their always still is the possibility, it is just always a question of possibility like thodin mentioned already, since sweden and germany arent officialy allied they might have restriction on what they officialy order/upgrade
true
i don’t see them choosing the base L/55 when all of the 2A7 tanks has been fitted with the new L/55A1 and the pressrelease from Sweden’s defence force say to make it “equal to the other modern Leopard 2’s”. but you are correct, we actually don’t know. (But i feel like choosing the older variant of the gun would be outright stupid x) )
Correct, but i think this will have negligible impact on gameplay if they introduce the Barracuda armor. you can already as it is almost not hear tanks that stand still in game.
This depends, during the upgrade from 122A to 122B they also made “several internal changes” to achieve “satisfactory protection” (source: http://www.ointres.se/2011-03-18_pansar_strv122b.pdf). but what those are and what they mean we don’t know. But i would venture a guess that they are the same that Canada did when they upgraded 2A6 to 2A6M.
the 123A would also have extra mine protection, better thermals and the Barracuda system compared to the 2E. (and would that not make it a 2A7V (with worse engine and APU) if we just look at the upgrades that matter in game?)
you say that like goverments doing stupid choices isnt a reaccuring thing currently
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governments ≠ Defence force.
but yes, your base sentiment i agree with.
Curious about what ammunition Swedish army will choose.
It looks like they’re talking about the Strv 122B+ there. The “normal” 122B is just an 122A with a mine-plate.
But i would venture a guess that they are the same that Canada did when they upgraded 2A6 to 2A6M.
This would mean the removal of the lowest row of ammunition in the hull rack and a new FP system designed to prevent ammunition fires + some spall liners on the inside of the turret basket.
Swedish army really pay a lot on land systems upgrade. They just announced a new IFV plan.(Might be CV9035)
https://www.fmv.se/aktuellt--press/aktuella-handelser/forprojektering-for-ersattningsanskaffning-av-stridsfordon/
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That is not correct. the first part of the document talks about history and the part i quoted is about the 122B. if you can read Swedish then the bottom two paragrafs in the middle column on the first page are of interest to the 122B. the 122B+ is talked about from the last paragraf of the right column on the first page and onwards.
sounds about right, but as i stated, its just a guess from me and the Swedish military is known for saying as little as possible (“en svensk tiger”).
It’s a CV9035 Mk.III C
And it’s talking about “satisfactory mine protection”. So yes, it is exactly the same as what they did on the 2A6M CAN - and nothing to do with the tank’s composite.
Yeah, they will build a new ammunition system.
correct.
does the Leopard 2A7V get extra internal armour above this 2A6—>2A6M upgrade?
Because what you quoted is discussing the internal changes specifically.
A bit of an update and compilation so far:
Leopard:
The 2A5 —> 2A6 upgrade is basically only the L/44 — > L/55 gun upgrade
The 2A6 —> 2A6M upgrade is mine protection and might even include some external armor used by Canada in Afghanistan (source: Product Information | KMW)
The 2A6M —> 2A7V is the upgrade of: internal systems, Barracuda camo, same external armor used by Canadas 2A6M in Afghanistan (put onto non upgraded 2A7), better thermals/night vision, upgraded L/55A1 gun with programmable ammo and better APU.
Strv:
122A: is a Leopard 2A5 with upgraded armor.
122B: Added Mine protection in the same manor as the 2A6M (both internally and externally) and Barracuda camo.
122B+ (only a technical demonstrator!): added more external armor.
123A: adds the L/55 gun (original or A1 variant unknown, but they mention programmable ammo, anyone know if both L/55 and L/55A1 can use programmable?), new night sights (and or thermals, it seems a bit unclear) and internal electrical components to make it equivalent to “other modern Leopard 2’s”
so the main differences i can see between the strv 123A and the Leopard 2A7V is the engine, APU and remote controlled weapon station.
anyone see any more differences?
Edit, removed RWS turret from 2A7V after more information was given.
Tbh theres probs alot of Info on the new 123 left out of the initial order its best to wait for more information to release later on that would hopefully release closer to the expected production date
Absolutely ^^
Its just fun to speculate and have a smal glimmer of hope of an early WT addition around the same time (or soon after) the addition of the Leopard 2A7V :)
Yes they all can be programmable, even the L/44 (see 2PSO and 2PL which have DM11). It just needs the programming module.
2A7V does not have a remote weapons station, the 2A7+ does. Also we need more information to about the 123A before making conclusions on differences.
Cool! thx :)
is the 2A7V and the 2A7+ not the exact same end result built from two different bases? (i.e; 2A7V is built from 2A6M and 2A7+ is built from base 2A7) or have i misunderstood this?
nah 2a7+ , has some additonal things like the addition of the PSO and war kits the leo 2a5 PSO currently has as well
oh okay thank you :)
i will remove the turret from the list :)