modern IR SAMs recognize their target using the shape of the aircraft though. They are also sensitive enough to “see” the heat generated by the friction between the air and the airframe.
That’s the principle of IIR. Granted, we still don’t have short range SAMs that have this feature currently in game, only ATGM. Point is, those things would totally ignore F117’s reduced signature
exactly the game just cant model it right because of gaijins laziness
the thing is you shouldnt be able to see the engine in heat signature becuase its surrounded by a ice box cooler design using thermal sheilding
where not asking for immortality it just be more difficult to lock with IR since its got no flares
its exhaust is also relitivly cold so its actually hard to lock it you can but its not easy
Stingers ignore flares anyways.
Most IR sams can lock drone level of heat signature at several km
is a F-117 colder than a drone ? i don’t think so
helis also have reduced signature, and most can be targetted by manpads from 4-7km anyway (not in game though, because heli’s IR signature is completely broken)
You mean photocontrast? The only missile in Warthunder that has that is the Strela.
Then it shouldn’t be facing modern SAM, the absolute best it should be facing is the strela
Within War Thunder, the photocontrast channel will be present on missiles that are a successor to the Strela-1 system. Namely the 9M37M missiles of the Strela-10M2 SAM, as well as on the Japanese Type 93 SAM. With the release of the “Kings of Battle” major update, the Type 81C SAM will also benefit from this improvement.
no i mean IIR, or Imaging Infra Red
Only spikes and the likes possesses this for now, but they can add it on manpads as well
note that current manpads should still be able to lock a f-117 at 4km or so anyway
From a game perspective, it should face something that can counter it
From an historical POV, sure let’s remove the modern Manpads and let’s make it face Rolands i suppose ?
thing is The ocelot can llock drones but cant hit them and also they shouldnt be able to anyways thats just gaijin being gaijin
a eletric motor does not get hotter than a standard gas motor from what ive seen they get a littlle hotter than hand warmers they should not be lockable they basically have no heat signauture
if your eletric motor is hot enough to lock with a missile then you are doing something wrong
mistral can lock pick up trucks and i wouldn’t be surprised if stinger could do the same
From there on, a F117 isn’t really going to be a problem
It can only carry 2 gbu, it’s slow, and has no offensive armament or flares, the only counter should be aircraft since if SAM can readily destroy it it’s outright useless. Even against Roland’s it would at least be harder to detect initially right?
it would, if people using F117 were playing it as you are supposed to use a F117, that is : climbing
Stealth is an interesting feature, but it does not work without distance, if you charge straight in a radar (even an early one) it will see you and it will shoot you down. ITO can “see” a F117 at 10-11 km and lock at 7km, i suppose roland is a bit under that (although they don’t need a radar lock for all of them)
I disagree, but tbh the way CAS is balanced right now is not the way i would’ve done it in the first place.
With what we have however my opinion is : SPAA should at the very least make your hunt for tanks slower, and mind you that’s already the case : a F117 pilot who takes the time to climb is virtually untouchable to SPAA
Yes, missiles should be able to lock onto a close range F-117, the issue is that as they are right now, they’re able to lock onto an F-117 at the same ranges that they can lock onto normal aircraft.
yes, but that’s purely because the “other aircrafts” are
It’s not a case of F117 underperforming, but rather the opposite
It’s a combination of F-117 underperforming, and SAMs overperforming.
in game maybe but id like to see the documentation saying they can or hell a video because a stinger shouldnt be able to lock a drone at all as they have zero heat signature basically and and shouldnt be able to lock the f117 at distance maybe only within a 2 miles give or take