I’m aware, I just made it as a very quick mock-up of how I think it would be named in-game, copying over the image from the Soviet one.
Edit: Unless you replied to the wrong comment?
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-1 Or how about instead we give the Soviet IS-3 the following camo and call it a day? And instead focus on vehicles that are not literal duplicates.
Like what? The IS-3 is the only option for Israel to get a heavy tank
This doesn’t solve the issue that Israel has no other option for a heavy tank
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Does it need it?
Are there no other special vehicles that are more important for Israeli history that could be added?
Do we seriously need a literal copy-paste vehicle again?
Why shouldn’t Egypt be represented first considering its their tank originally?
Absolutely, Every TT needs a researchable heavy tank
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is there a heavy tank that i missed?
Yep, scenarios like this (or a Hungarian IS-2) are the best way to implement copy-paste vehicles, it fills gaps that can’t be filled domestically, something that’s especially relevant with how much game content is locked behind daily and BP challenges
I mean yea, IS-3 is the only option. Greece/Cyprus never used anything heavy and the only other option is a Churchill from Jewish brigates during WW2 but they weren’t Israelis. So yea at the end the only solutions is copy paste for TT that still haven’t taken heavy tanks in the researchable TT like Israel, Japan, Italy, Sweden
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Worth noting that Egypt may have used Matilda II tanks, and so Israel may or may not have captured an example or two, although I doubt they would’ve been in an operational state if any were acquired.
One catch is that they’re rank II so it wouldn’t address the BP challenge portion of the issue
Good point, lowering that bar would certainly help across the board, but it’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.
In certain ways I get it because it prevents yet more sealclubbing (which, lets be honest, 1.0-4.0 might have more lvl 100’s than 10.0-13.3)
In other ways it does feel a bit arbitrary, especially when low rank event vehicles do count towards event grinding.
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The USSR gets a Panther and a Panzer 3. You can easily argue for the Centauro, since the Russians tested it, but this IS-3M isn’t a trophy tank. The Israelis pressed the IS-3M into service and used it, unlike the Centauro. If you don’t want to play a tech tree that reflects IDF tank combat history, don’t play it.
I’ll just slap on this guy’s comment as well.
Hell, I don’t see people complaining about the early Magachs or the Tirans. Those are basically pure C&P too.
The thing with the Israeli TT is that it is a tree reliant on C&P until the higher tiers, which is an accurate reflection of the development of the IDF and how it uses tanks.
If people don’t like to see more C&P in the Israeli TT, they should simply be opposed to the existence of the Israeli TT as a standalone instead of as a subtree of America.
I see your comment now. It’s nice that you bring this up, as I’ve always been informed that the Egpytian IS-3s were IS-3M variants. I looked over the IS-3M suggestion you provided.
You can also add the Hanomag (which Germany lacks), Condottieri class light cruiser, Vifor class destroyer (happened this update, not in Italy tree despite Romania having it modified it multiple times and operating it far more than either Italy or USSR did), Conte di Cavour class Battleship and Regele Ferdinand class destroyer. This is only mentioning war prizes and reperations.
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They do, but M48s are rather common for a reason, same as the T-54 and Centurion. They were the staples of the Cold War and exported extensively. Their commonality only reflects how often they were seen in conflicts across the globe. In Israel’s case, they fought Centurion Mk.8 models used by Jordan with their own Sho’t Kal variants.
I personally want them to slap on Israeli field mods and decor at a minimum, like how the Tiran 6 has an M2 mounted to the gun. In other cases, Israel modified many Soviet guns to use the US-supplied M68 cannon instead of their original 100mm guns, which are usually designated under “S” of some form, from my experience. This gun swap also applies to their Centurions, which takes the form of the Israeli “Sharir” cannon.
I find people who are against an Israeli tech tree confusing, considering how profound Israel’s mark on Cold War tank history is. In terms of combat testing, there were few better opportunities for Western powers to learn how their tanks performed against their Soviet counterparts (and vice versa) than the conflicts Israel fought with its neighbors during this period. For a game that focuses on tank history and includes the Cold War, refusing to include the Israeli tech tree is simply unacceptable.
Entirely depends on the tank. If it has a place in Soviet/Russian military history then it’s fine. If it was only a trial vehicle, then I’d be against.
They might be premium, but it would be remiss if the Soviets didn’t get the M3 Lee or Valentine, given the importance these tanks have to the course of the Easter Front.
On the other hand, the Centauro and T70 GMC (Hellcat) shouldn’t be added, since they were only trialed and did not contribute in any meaningful way to Soviet/Russian tank history/development
I only give them that as a possibility since Sweden got special treatment, honestly.