Stalin-3 (Israeli captured IS-3M) - The only heavy tank used in the IDF

History:

The IS-3 (Object 703) its a heavy tank made by the URSS at the end of 1944, it features the classic 122 mm D-25T cannon from the IS-2, and a revolutionary “V” shape upper frontal plate armor with a rounded but low profile turret. The IS-3M its a modernized version of this heavy tank, featuring a new 520 hp V-54K-IS engine (derived from the V-54 engine used by the T-54s), improved communications equipment, night vision equipment (TVN-2), DShKM and DTM machine guns (DShk and DT previusly).

In the late 1950s, Egypt started receiving IS-3 tanks from the USSR, and in the 1960s, they already had 120 IS-3 tanks in its inventory (which was a mix of IS-3 (UKN), IS-3 (MTU) and IS-3M tanks).

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IS-3 tanks participating in the 1956 Independence Day parade in Cairo

During the 1967 Six Day War, egyptian IS-3 tanks were deployed in defensive positions along Khan Yunis-Rafah line and near Al Kuntillah. The first encounter of egyptian IS-3M tanks with israeli forces occurred at the Rafah battle, the egyptian 7th Infantry Division, which included a battalion of IS-3M, against an israeli parachute brigade with support from a battalion of Magach 3s.

By the end of the war, it is estimated that Egypt lost 73 IS-3 tanks, which 33 were destroyed and 40 captured. Though, more trustable sources states only 19 were captured (probably only counting ones in operable conditions or put in service? same as the Tiran documents). It is unknown how many of the captured IS-3 were put into IDF service and which versions of the IS-3 were used by the IDF. Many third party sources states that the captured IS-3 tanks are from the M version, and that many IS-3s were modified replacing the V-54K with the V-54 engine (un-modified T-54 engine), but unknown if it was made by the IDF or Egyptian Army.

Dr. Maor Levy, from the History Department of the IDF

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Israeli designation for the captured IS-3

Official designation of captured IS-3 was “Stalin-3”, some documents tell even a shorter name by just “Stalin”. The issue with this designation its that it does not discriminate between IS-3 variants and even the shorter “Stalin” name was also used to name captured ISU-152 tanks.

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At the 1969-1970 War of Attrition, the Chief of Staff of the Israeli Army, General Haim Bar-Lev, buried 33 tanks, containing also Stalin-3 tanks, along the Suez Canal, creating a fortified defense line, named “Bar-Leva Line”. Two Stalin-3 were located in the Tempo (Okral) position, and other two at the “Budapest” position. As said before, the Stalin-3 tanks were burried, because they were used as bunkers, they also got the engine stripped and replaced with an external ammo compartment.

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During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, on October 6th, the Bar-Leva Line was overwhelmed by egyptian assaults (Operation Badr), in only 48 hours, from the 16 active forts along the line, only Fort Budapest successfully resisted. The Stalin-3 tanks were re-captured by the egyptians, and in the early 1980s, all IS-3 and IS-3M tanks were put out of service, some were melted down while others sold to museums around the world (by egyptians).
While the rest of israeli IS-3 tanks were also scrapped, there is only one israeli IS-3 (M) that survived, and its currently displayed at the Yad La-Shiryon museum, in Latrun.
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Specifications:

  • Crew: 4
  • Engine: V-54K-IS diesel
  • Horsepower: 520 hp
  • Max. speed: 40 km/h
  • Weight: 45.8 tonnes
  • Length: 6.9 m
  • Width: 3.15 m
  • Height: 2.45 m
  • Ammo: 17 rounds (original soviet one 28 rounds)
  • Main armament: 122 mm D-25T cannon
  • Secondary armament: (two?) 7.62 mm DTM and one 12.7 mm DShKM (note: when they were used as bunkers, you can’t really see the machine guns, they were only shown at the israeli parade after the Six Day War)

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More Pictures


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Sources

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ9-NHWzmb0
Tank Archives: IS-3 in Combat
Tank Archives: Evolution and Revolution
Armor - Google Libros
Operation Badr (1973) - Wikipedia
IS-3M – The IS-3 of The Cold War

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How would this be named in-game? Stalin-3 or JS-3?

Probably just IS-3:

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+1, although I would like to see an IS-3M for the Soviet tree as well, even if practically identical to the in-game model.

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I would say Stalin-3.

It would like calling the swedish Kungstiger just Tiger II (P)

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The ISU-nothing (ISU-152) would probably have more use than the IS-3, truly a bad vehicle in my opinion while alikes IS-4M has similar features but better armor, although I voted no, it’s based on Gaijin stance regarding captured vehicles, I don’t trust double standard specially coming from the developers, in my opinion either you forbid captured vehicles completely or add for everyone, in the meantime, I don’t support this suggestion, though is a nice piece of military history from the Middle East.

Well could be the Sweden treatment, give the Stalin-3 as event or BP vehicle just to at least have 1 heavy tank in the TT.

The Israeli TT is already primarily made up from C&P designs, either 1-to-1 exact copies (Tiran 4/Magach 1) or slightly altered. Which makes logical sense given the history of the IDF tank battalions. So this is the one TT for which I’d +1 a C&P suggestion.

I’d prefer the name Stalin-3 personally btw. That would follow the precedent of the Magachs and Tirans already in game.

Which would raise another problem: “Locking a vehicle behind a paywall”, I can’t remember when Gaijin implemented a mid-tier vehicle for free on a battle pass, like the Kungstiger, the Israeli-captured IS-3M won’t be any different. Although I understand the point of argument that it should be added to the tech tree have access to at least one heavy tank, I do support that, and I would fully agree with the implementation of this vehicle if Gaijin would implement captured vehicles to any other tech tree.

My honest chinese/japanese reaction

The Israeli IS-3M was a fully serviced and used vehicle. While it may be captured, it was used, and should be a part of the tree.

This IS-3 is an M variant, which is not the same as the one the USSR has in-game. It is a powerpack swap and would be different.

As someone who usually discriminates pretty heavily against copy paste, I will give it a +1.

Simply because it appears to be the only heavy tank the Israeli tree could get, which is a value that I feel transcends tree diversity, considering that certain oriented tasks require these vehicles (and I’d hate to force people to skip those because they chose the ‘wrong’ tree).

If by service you mean as static pillboxes, we don’t have that in War Thunder, but yes, there are IS-3s in Shikotan that were used as coastal defense; if you mean as captured parade asset, we don’t have that in War Thunder because those are highly controversial, but yes, there was IS-3s used for that purposes in the past; if you mean as live firing targets, yes there’s one example in War Thunder: Kungstiger.

Very hollow reasoning that again would open a can of worms if Gaijin positioned themselves in favour of more captured vehicles, in the meantime they sit in the wall with some recieving and others being denied or post-poned. Another, does Israel need it? I don’t think so but I wouldn’t mind to be added but the differences between the IS-3 and IS-3M are purely mechanical, won’t change the vehicle performance at all, gameplay-wise is a copy and paste.

It’s like complaining that the vehicle is copy and paste and the staff will promptly reply: It has a different screw, so it’s unique. Again, should? No. Could be in the tech tree if Gaijin gave a official position regarding captured vehicles, I won’t be supporting this suggestion until then. Either you give everyone the same treatment, specially and specifically regarding captured vehicles or no one gets, Sweden as tech tree been having the sweet grace regarding that.

Not exactly much different than how an SPG works in real life, for the most part. They don’t go around moving and firing like in War Thunder. The IS-3M in this instance were mobile, but were later converted after already being put into service.

There are several in-game, especially in the Israeli tech tree. The Shilka and ZSU-57-2 are two examples.

They were used. They are not just “Captured”. They DID get used by the IDF before being later converted to a stationary artillery bunker. If you didn’t read the post, that’s your own problem.

There are often requirements to use Heavy tanks when grinding a Battlepass. Tech Tree Heavy tanks are possible for every nation in War Thunder at present, and should be added for every nation.

Furthermore, the IS-3M has a completely new powerpack and gearbox setup, which, while the tank’s weight grew a few tons, the mobility should be far superior. The tank also received T-10-derived road wheels. It is not a copy-and-paste, but rather the difference between the M48 and an M48A2.

A complete structural overhaul, a new powerpack, an upgraded gearbox, new roadwheels, and such is a lot more than “a new screw”. The least you could do here is actually pay attention to the stuff you comment on.

It was explicitly in IDF service with an engine before being converted. How many times does it need to be said to you?

Oy vey, chill. My point is that I don’t want Gaijin to wall-sit regarding captured vehicles, either they position themselves to open possibility for all tech trees rather than necessity excuse to copy and paste “new” content for the specified tech tree later, for example M55 and Hummel. Regarding the other points I agree, with some exceptions:

Very low, but fair point, I just hope you don’t overreact again and misunderstand my position as denying IS-3 because it’s a heavy tank, but rather a captured vehicle—every other tech tree has a heavy tank even on rank III—send this argument to BVV_d, he might tease a “new exciting vehicle for an up-coming Israeli-related battle pass” which would end up like the Kungstiger—you can only access the Israeli ground tech tree by rank IV:

To access the vehicle, the following conditions must be met:

Achieve 1 from: Rank IV or higher Tank in USA, Rank IV or higher Tank in USSR, Rank IV or higher Tank in Britain, Rank IV or higher Tank in France, Rank IV or higher Tank in Israel

According to in-game warning screen, unable to attach in-game screenshot, Forum issue. By the point you have the Israeli tech tree as a whole available you’ll have another handful of heavy tanks to use on battle pass tasks, which regardless Israel could have to make available for its players a proper vehicle to finish these tasks, but that’s not the reason why I don’t want to see this vehicle in-game, if you might have missed it: By the point you have access to the Israeli ground tech tree you’ll have a handful of heavy tanks to finish these tasks.

I might be wrong, the completely new powerpack came from a T-54 that has similar power output found in the IS-3 original engine, again, how many times does it need to be said to you, it’s a mechanical improvement, the performance is the same, which regarding the T-54 engine and IS-3 engine in-game, T-54s uses a improved unspecified later variant that I believe was only available in later T-54 variants, in reality it should be weaker. Gameplay-wise would be a copy paste, a roadwheel won’t change your gameplay, a improved engine with similar values won’t change your gameplay, a night vision device won’t change your gameplay (plus, night vision modules are not available anymore for vehicles outside the minimal battle rating required to be part of night battles).

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How many times does it need to be said to you? I don’t care, my points are, in case you miss:

I don’t want Gaijin to wall sit while accepting a few, denying others regarding captured vehicles, I won’t be supporting this suggestion post until Gaijin position themselves regarding captured vehicles implemented recently.

Well the tree does need a heavy so you can do your daily’s they put them into operational service so wy not +1
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Is there a language barrier? Captured and serviced tanks have existed in War Thunder since it was released.











I cannot express how stupid of a take it is. Captured vehicles have been in this game since it came out. The first German tank was a literal German Sherman.

You should not be forced to play another tech tree to complete a battlepass challenge. Ever.

The IS-3M is a 1956 variant that uses the V-54K-IS engine. This variant can also use the same rough ammunition as the T-10M, which includes APDS (3BM7) and HEAT-FS (3BK-10), so it would far surpass the firepower of the Russian IS-3 model.

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Now that you have been shown that it isn’t a 1-to-1 copy-paste and has a completely new engine, gearbox, road wheels, and ammunition selection, while also having similar Captured and Pressed into service tanks in the game since War Thunder’s inception, can you upvote it now?

Until they add IS-3M to the USSR TT

Yeah, but that’s fine.

A +1 from me, every tree deserves at least one heavy tank