Stalin-3 (Israeli captured IS-3M) - The only heavy tank used in the IDF

[Just_Baron]

@美好岁月里的温柔之人

Oy vey, chill. My point is that I don’t want Gaijin to wall-sit regarding captured vehicles, either they position themselves to open possibility for all tech trees rather than necessity excuse to copy and paste “new” content for the specified tech tree later, for example M55 and Hummel. Regarding the other points I agree, with some exceptions

@美好岁月里的温柔之人

How many times does it need to be said to you? I don’t care, my points are, in case you miss:

I don’t want Gaijin to wall sit while accepting a few, denying others regarding captured vehicles, I won’t be supporting this suggestion post until Gaijin position themselves regarding captured vehicles implemented recently.

Is there a language barrier? Captured and serviced tanks have existed in War Thunder since it was released.

@美好岁月里的温柔之人

Very low, but fair point, I just hope you don’t overreact again and misunderstand my position as denying IS-3 because it’s a heavy tank, but rather a captured vehicle—every other tech tree has a heavy tank even on rank III—send this argument to BVV_d, he might tease a “new exciting vehicle for an up-coming Israeli-related battle pass” which would end up like the Kungstiger—you can only access the Israeli ground tech tree by rank IV:

I cannot express how stupid of a take it is. Captured vehicles have been in this game since it came out. The first German tank was a literal German Sherman.

@美好岁月里的温柔之人

According to in-game warning screen, unable to attach in-game screenshot, Forum issue. By the point you have the Israeli tech tree as a whole available you’ll have another handful of heavy tanks to use on battle pass tasks, which regardless Israel could have to make available for its players a proper vehicle to finish these tasks, but that’s not the reason why I don’t want to see this vehicle in-game, if you might have missed it: By the point you have access to the Israeli ground tech tree you’ll have a handful of heavy tanks to finish these tasks.

You should not be forced to play another tech tree to complete a battlepass challenge. Ever.

@美好岁月里的温柔之人

I might be wrong, the completely new powerpack came from a T-54 that has similar power output found in the IS-3 original engine, again, how many times does it need to be said to you, it’s a mechanical improvement, the performance is the same, which regarding the T-54 engine and IS-3 engine in-game, T-54s uses a improved unspecified later variant that I believe was only available in later T-54 variants, in reality it should be weaker.

The IS-3M is a 1956 variant that uses the V-54K-IS engine. This variant can also use the same rough ammunition as the T-10M, which includes APDS (3BM7) and HEAT-FS (3BK-10), so it would far surpass the firepower of the Russian IS-3 model.

Now that you have been shown that it isn’t a 1-to-1 copy-paste and has a completely new engine, gearbox, road wheels, and ammunition selection, while also having similar Captured and Pressed into service tanks in the game since War Thunder’s inception, can you upvote it now?

[gfdsa_killer]

@Just_Baron

that it isn’t a 1-to-1 copy-paste

Until they add IS-3M to the USSR TT

[Just_Baron]

Yeah, but that’s fine.

[jon_man1199]

A +1 from me, every tree deserves at least one heavy tank

[ANAPHYST]

All people voting “yes” would cry their eyes out if it was a foreign tank for USSR instead.

[Savage_Virus_R6]

THIS IS NOT AN IS-3M. Its IS-3 Model 1953, AN EXACT DUPLICATE of the in-game Soviet IS-3.

“M” designation was only introduced in 1962. IS-3Ms had night driving equipment installed, this one doesn’t. You can read more here.

[Savage_Virus_R6]

No its literally the same model.

[ChieftainWarrior]

I’m aware, I just made it as a very quick mock-up of how I think it would be named in-game, copying over the image from the Soviet one.

Edit: Unless you replied to the wrong comment?

[Savage_Virus_R6]

-1 Or how about instead we give the Soviet IS-3 the following camo and call it a day? And instead focus on vehicles that are not literal duplicates.

WT Live // Camouflage by Kamikaze1

[Pipimer]

@Savage_Virus_R6

And instead focus on vehicles that are not literal duplicates.

Like what? The IS-3 is the only option for Israel to get a heavy tank

@Savage_Virus_R6

Soviet IS-3 the following camo and call it a day?

This doesn’t solve the issue that Israel has no other option for a heavy tank

[Savage_Virus_R6]

Does it need it?
Are there no other special vehicles that are more important for Israeli history that could be added?
Do we seriously need a literal copy-paste vehicle again?
Why shouldn’t Egypt be represented first considering its their tank originally?

[Pipimer]

Absolutely, Every TT needs a researchable heavy tank

[Savage_Virus_R6]

@Pipimer

Like what?

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[Pipimer]

is there a heavy tank that i missed?

[Bergebis]

Yep, scenarios like this (or a Hungarian IS-2) are the best way to implement copy-paste vehicles, it fills gaps that can’t be filled domestically, something that’s especially relevant with how much game content is locked behind daily and BP challenges

[Pipimer]

I mean yea, IS-3 is the only option. Greece/Cyprus never used anything heavy and the only other option is a Churchill from Jewish brigates during WW2 but they weren’t Israelis. So yea at the end the only solutions is copy paste for TT that still haven’t taken heavy tanks in the researchable TT like Israel, Japan, Italy, Sweden

[BSpiel8-live]

Worth noting that Egypt may have used Matilda II tanks, and so Israel may or may not have captured an example or two, although I doubt they would’ve been in an operational state if any were acquired.

[Bergebis]

One catch is that they’re rank II so it wouldn’t address the BP challenge portion of the issue

[BSpiel8-live]

Good point, lowering that bar would certainly help across the board, but it’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.

[CasperWieIk]

In certain ways I get it because it prevents yet more sealclubbing (which, lets be honest, 1.0-4.0 might have more lvl 100’s than 10.0-13.3)

In other ways it does feel a bit arbitrary, especially when low rank event vehicles do count towards event grinding.