Not a surprise when M44 just nails KV-1 and Churchill in WT. :/
Just two more days and no more Garford hellhole ever again.
as long as Both Mk.IV/V will be unusable because of 7km/h speed outside of the event
I think I might just try some matches with St. Chamond after the event ends.
‘If Gaijin implement the armor buff’
it is damn shame that our Mark V which is ‘best version of most iconic tank series in WW1’ is the ‘worst tank in WW1 of Gaijin’
Western Entente tanks really need some love. :/
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would be nice if we saw non russian vehicles be done right
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Not like this it wouldn’t - This would be useless vs either - the gap is too small to do anything to HEAT and the thickness would jsut be smashed through by a HESH shell’s kinetic energy.
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it would still be something at least. Any yes every HESH shell that’s ever entered service would just punch clean through and explode inside the crew comp
I can’t find any proof of the St Chamond having spaced frontal armour. All variants of it show the exact same plate on the front. That part around the gun isn’t the lower armour, that’s just the armour for the gun mantlet.
Modele 1
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Modele 2
Modele 3 (this is the exact tank the ingame version is based on. However the side plates are different from what Gaijin modelled.)
And in the interior of a Modele 3, showing no extra plate
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All the sources state it had an extra plate added as spaced armour - so you should start from the basis that it existed. Or are you trying to convince us it never existed at all??
Why would you expect an interior shot to show exterior armour?
This looks like it here -
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How does one see exterior armour from inside the tank?
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That’s the edge of the gun mantlet.
Your inside picture does not show that.
The only bit of doubled metal in that is as highlighted in the picture below, obviously above the gun barrel.
The piece I have highlighted in the picture above is level with the gun barrel
This picture appears to show a Chamond without the armour I think is the extra plates:
The added armour was added to them regardless of the stage of manufacture - although later ones were presumably had it fitted at build rather than added later.
Because those are the exact same plates as the ones you can see outside. Look at the viewport to the left of the gun. You’ve got four parts. The main plate, the mantlet plate, the cover to open and close the viewport. And a plate on the outside to reinforce it (since enemies would probably focus their fire on it.)
I’ve coloured the plates here. The main plate is red. The mantlet plate is blue. The cover for the port is pink. And the outside plate is green.
Also if you wanted to increase the armour on a tank, surely you’d put the extra armour on the outside, not the inside.
Uh… yeah… that’s what they did… what’s your point?
Given the bolted nature of the construction there is no particular reason why the added plates would have a different structure from the existing ones - so the pattern of plates outside and inside doesn’t really say anything conclusive.
However given almost all pictures of St Chamonds look like the one in the game, and apparently all St Chamonds had added spaced armour, your posts are pretty much saying “no they didn’t”, which is unsupportable.
So let’s turn this around - what do you think the additional armour should look like - got any pictures you think definitively show it?
This is 62668 ‘Pas Kamarad’ captured by the Germans. This is the exact tank that Gaijin choice to represent ingame. It does have different side armour that hasn’t been correctly modelled but it was still the same spaced side armour that the others have.
Then the outside on later variants should look different from earlier versions then.
Here’s a drawing that purports the be a St Chamond Early - and presumably without any additional armour - it has the earlier gun, and a different section around the gun mantlet area to the in game one -
From Panzerserra Bunker- Military Scale Models in 1/35 scale: Char Saint Chamond - French heavy tank - early - WWI - case report
Your red lines do not make any sense - this one is pure invention - the picture shows nothing of the sort -
So again - what is it you think the extra amour DID look like?
It’s right there. You can just see the upper section extending out.
There was no extra armour. The only extra armour was the spaced armour added to the sides and the reinforcements added on the outside to the edges of the plates.
62414, one of the first examples made, most likely started as 62405, the fifth prototype. This was an experimental version with side skirts covering the tracks. You can see it still has the same front plate arrangment as all other St Chamond’s. It also lacks the side spaced armour which I presume was added sometime during the testing phase.
62457, one of the earliest produced modele 1’s. Same front plate arrangment.
62530, one of the later produced Model 1’s. This one has been destroyed and you can see no secondary plate behind the main plate. As usual, same arrangement on the outside.
62608, a modele 2 that’s also destroyed. Again, no secondary plate. Outside is also no different.
And for reference, 62770. A modele 3 and one of the last ever produced examples. Still with the same exterior plates.
Btw if you were adding extra plate armour to the outside of the original plate armour. Wouldn’t you make them overlap so the sides between each plate is covered?
https://www.chars-francais.net/index.php/engins-blindes/chars?view=article&id=1770:1916-char-saint-chamond&catid=13
My sources come from here which makes no mention of the front having spaced armour. It only references the 40 examples turned into supply vehicles. I assume referring to the side armour removed to improve mobility.
