Baz with no HMD, no TWS, no datalinks?
J-11A with one datalink and some of the worst Fox 3s?
We’re talking about the same planes here right?
The JF-17 doesn’t loose all of its speed to get a slightly off bore target in its ACM
like the jeff
no ARH either, but the FM and weapons amounts make up for it
basically two can be fired simultaneously with one launched in TWS and other in direct guidance.
not suffering here.
oh and irrc it has how may Fox-3s?
yeah, considering that most top teir combat doesnt take place at BVR ranges rn anyway, the R-VVAE is great for below 20km shots
no ones talking about slight manoeuvres
Wanna know why I brought it up… because the Baz is 13 and the Jeff isn’t.
The Baz has AIM-120s? The JF-17 FM is better than the Baz?
As opposed to all the other planes that can fire all of them in TWS
That’s what I said makes up for the lack of HMD, so just you not reading what I said
Baz meshupar has aim-120s, not the baz regular, baz meshupar is 13.7
hell no lol
bas is an F-15
no one should be shooting all their ARHs in one go anyway.
we’re not 14yo F-14 players lol
no one cares if they have HMD when it concerns slight manoeuvres, but when youre in a dogfight pulling the max Gs you got, thats when the HMD comes into play.
not when you have displacement between you and the target lol
The baz meshupar is what I was referring to and you knew I was, I just didn’t want to type that out.
The jeff wipes an F-15
But what I’m saying is other F-15s can shoot off 3-4 perfectly fine.
The Jeff have a big enough ACM and pulls enough AOA to make up for it, that’s what I’ve been getting at. It’s a very slight difference.
You said Baz and you said
Which is the baz regular.
Baz maeshupar is 13.7
Dont play me please.
Huh… strange how i didnt think of that.
Tbh i thought you were drawing some sort of comparison between a non arh jet and an arh jet.
In a one circle?
Sure, in energy fighting?
Never
And?
Shooting all your ammo doesnt mean anything.
You want to be effective then you have to be smart and use the missiles wisely.
Shoot at less range than max and keep tabs on target for possible notching etc.
As i said.
The ability to shoot off all your missiles is fancy in theory, but impractical irl.
ACM isnt as reliable nor as flexible.
Thats what HMD provides us
Good that’s cleared up, sorry for confusion.
If you play anything more than a one circle you’re already halfway dead, 3rd partied
If you shoot off 4 missiles in an F-15 you still have 4 left, that’s what makes them the Meta.
If the M4K ACM is good enough than the JF-17 is perfectly fine. The M4Ks ACM is the same size as an HMD box.
Dreams come true I guess. It just came to trophy box for dance of dragons update.
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idk whats going on rn but the top teir i remember is that if you get slow you die
that and the ability to keep fast and keep your offensive battlefield presence online for longer. basically combat endurance.
i have no experience on the M4K so i cant say much abt that
And the Jeff is perfect for dogfighting in that meta, if it’s going at 1.2 it’ll probably slow down to 800 kph, which seems like a lot but at those speeds it regains speed quite well.
Which a smart JF-17 player can easily do
It’s just an HMD box but ACM, both the Jeff and M4K pull more than enough AOA to make up for the lack of HMD
regardless, MAWS hardly makes it worthy of 13.7 BR even with the current performance
I suppose we can agree to disagree than
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The model of the JF-17 is incorrectly larger than the J-10.
This causes the RD-93 to be larger than the Saturn AL-31FN as well.
is there a bug report for it?
There is not. I need documents to report it, but it is larger than it should be.
in what dimensions is it larger than it should be?
The entire aircraft from what I’ve seen.
I first noticed with the wingspan when checking my J-10 and JF-17 for spading progress.
I noticed the scaling seemed off.
I checked wingspan, JF-17 is wider.
Then I switched between the two looking at engine nozzles; JF-17’s larger.
JF-17’s longer.
I swapped between Soviets with a Mig-29 and JF-17, it’s wild how much larger the nozzle is despite being the same exact nozzle IRL.
hmm interesting, can you show me images?
interesting, i dont know anything about the jf17, but i was doing some googling and it seems the the jf-17 has a larger wingspan than the j10 IRL . But i have no idea about the nozzles
I wonder if its variant specific to physical size?
Nah the variants so far havent adjusted the dimensions of the aircraft.
Although the PFX program will.
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