SPZR Poprad: Lightning Strike

[Yontzee]

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Żubr P/SPZR Poprad: Lightning Strike

Żubr P’s in maneuvering exercises.

• Description :
  • In the late 1990’s, the Polish military set a requirement for the integrating of a mobile vehicle platform with the GROM surface-to-air missile system. This lead to development beginning in 2000 of the SPZR Poprad system with the official designation of ‘Poprad’ in 2002. A joint development team from the Military Mechanical Works and the Military Institute of Armament Technology worked on development and lead to the first demonstrator vehicle on the Land Rover Defender 110 chassis. Other prototypes of the vehicle were developed in 2003 and 2005 but none met the requirements of the military. In 2007, the AMZ Dzik-P chassis produced by AMZ was finally selected and and integrated with the Poprad system.
  • The Poprad Very Short-Range Air Defense System (VSHORAD) is a mobile air defense system designed by the Polish Defense company known as Elektronika. This system was designed to counter low and medium flying aircraft with infrared missiles. Two missiles can be used with this system, the GROM-1 designed in the 1990’s and the GROM-M/Piorun missile, an upgraded GROM-1 that was designed around 2015 with the first test firing of the GROM-M/Piorun missiles occurring in 2020. This system is mounted mainly on the AMZ ŻUBR Light Tactical Vehicle. This AMZ ŻUBR and Poprad combination is designated the ŻUBR-P. 2 This system does not require the use of a RADAR and can operate independently utilizing the Electro-optical KTVD-1M Thermal Imager which is integrated with the Fire Control System allowing auto-tracking and engage capability. Using this capability allows the Poprad system to remain undetected. The first batch of Poprad systems featured the Sagem MATIS Thermal camera before switching to the KMW-3 Thermal camera which is integrated into the launcher. Also integrated into the launcher is the L5LUR Laser Rangefinder as well as Identification, friend or foe (IFF) to prevent blue-on-blue engagements when operating with both hostile and friendly aircraft. The Poprad can also integrate with the ŻUBR MMSR which utilizes a Soła N-26 radar mounted on the AMZ ŻUBR chassis for searching and tracking information. The Poprad missile system can be stowed within the vehicle and can be easily installed on most types of chassis. Currently the Polish Army received around 79 units and are currently in service as of 2018. Indonesia is the only other user of the Poprad system which is integrated on the Huzar 6x6 chassis.
• Armament:
  • Primary: Poprad Launcher w/ integrated GROM-1 (or Piorun) Surface-to-Air Launchers (w/ 4 missiles ready, 4 missiles in reserve)
    • PPZR GROM-1 Missile Characteristics:
      • Caliber: 72mm
      • Flight Speed: 580m/s
      • Rocket Weight: 10.25kg
      • Guidance: Infrared
      • Detonation Mechanism: Contact
      • Operation Range: 5.5km
      • Altitude: 10-3,500m
    • PPZR GROM-M/Piorun Missile Characteristics:
      • Caliber: 72mm
      • Flight Speed: 660m/s
      • Rocket Weight: 16.5kg
      • Guidance: Infrared
      • Detonation Mechanism: Contact/Laser Proximity Fuse
      • Operation Range: 6.5km
      • Altitude: 10-4,000m
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 275hp N60 ENT C Iveco Tector Diesel Engine
  • Transmission: Automatic Transmission, 6-Forward, 1-Reverse
  • Chassis: AMZ ŻUBR-P Light Tactical Vehicle
  • Max Speed: 100km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 6.45m
  • Width: 2.45m
  • Height: 2.72m
  • Weight: 15 tons
• Crew (2x):
  • Driver
  • Commander/Gunner
• Accessories:
  • Thermal Imager
    • Commander/Gunner: Electro-optical KTVD-1M Thermal Imager w/ Laser Rangefinder and Auto-Tracker.
      • Original batch features the SAGEM MATIS Thermal Camera.
  • NVD
    • Driver: PCO Helmet/OTH Based Night Vision Device
  • L5LUR Laser Rangefinder
• Sources:
  • https://www.mesko.com.pl/zestawy-przeciwpancerne-przeciwlotnicze-i-rakiety/zestawy-przeciwlotnicze.html (GROM Characteristics)
  • https://www.mesko.com.pl/materialy/info/produkty_pliki/194-pdf.pdf (GROM Manufacturer Product Specifications)
  • https://www.army-technology.com/projects/spzr-poprad-anti-aircraft-missile-system/
  • More Poprad VSHORAD Systems Received by the Polish Military | Defence24.com
  • https://militaryleak.com/2021/06/10/polish-army-15th-mechanized-brigade-takes-delivery-of-spzr-poprad-anti-aircraft-missile-system/
  • Samobieżny Przeciwlotniczy Zestaw Rakietowy POPRAD | PIT-RADWAR
  • Pierwsze strzelanie Piorunami z Popradów – MILMAG
  • http://amz.pl/ (Chassis)
  • KMW-3 TEMIDA thermal camera - PCO S.A.
  • AMZ Zubr 4-Wheeled Armored Car
  • https://www.armyrecognition.com/polish_missile_vehicles_systems_weapons_poland_uk/poprad_zubr_p_anti-aircraft_mobile_missile_launcher_data.html
  • https://pcosa.com.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/web_KTVD1M.pdf
  • https://en.pitradwar.com/file/4b35af29-8e8e-11e7-9532-a5a4446a441a
  • https://www.defence24.pl/pioruny-i-nowe-spike-juz-w-wojsku (Piorun Missile)
  • https://wml.wat.edu.pl/index.php/historia-zkr/pprzpiorun-zkr.html
• Imagery:

Spoiler

Poprad SHORAD stored in the hull of the Żubr P.

Successful test firing of the GROM-M missile integrated with the Poprad.

Poprad KTVD-1M optical system closeup.

KTVD-1M Camera specifications.

The KMW-3 Thermal camera used in on the Poprad.

https://youtu.be/jv-2mDtZOjg

Video showing Poprad Air Defense System capabilities. Note: Launcher can be stored in rear of vehicle.

Indonesian Poprad missile system.

[HusieK576]

Could be used to fill up gap in British tech tree SPAAs between 8.3 and 10.3

Love to see it.

[-Bundeswehr-]

+ 1 In the German branch

[Colerend]

why should it be in a German tech tree?

[-Bundeswehr-]

Poland will be in Germany, which will give Germany aviation, its own leopards, etc.
Although that’s what could be given to Germany, through the Nederlands, a German car

Fennek SWP

[LamawDoniczce]

In my opinion, the UK needs AA in the range of 6.7-7.7

[LamawDoniczce]

For me as a Pole, and not only for me but also for my colleagues from Poland, adding our country to the Germans or the USSR will be a spit in the face, because of what these countries did to us during WW2 and after it, I am in favor of adding Poland to France

[-Bundeswehr-]

Well, then you have to divide between two countries, if you don’t want 1 country. France has too few connections with Poland and French technology or not, or I don’t remember that there were too few of them. And so K2 would be a good top for Germany on a par with Leopards.

Jokes are jokes of course. I apologize if I offended you greatly by reminding you about this.

[LamawDoniczce]

I personally think that Poland definitely has a lot in common with France when it comes to politics and relations, and these countries were and are quite close,and maybe we don’t cooperate with each other technologically, looking at history, France has saved us and we saved them more than once,I think that the German tree does not need other top tanks, because the Leopard 2a7+ or A8 will be really good and in my opinion, adding k2 to them, and even more so k2Pl, will make the Germans very op,and now look at France, it has terribly weak top tanks and nothing will probably change and Poland is actually the only country in the EU that has some potential and good equipment, which France lacks,You could also make a tree for the Baltic countries, for example, and add Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, etc., it would be more interesting in my opinion than sub trees for other countries.

[LamawDoniczce]

I hope you can understand me xd

[-Bundeswehr-]

Not Germany can become strong, but Scandinavia will be terribly strong, which has all the German equipment, but they play in the game against Germany, but with a better technique (Which the developers specifically do for the Swedish-Scandinavian branch). There will also be K2 Panthers and 2A8, 2A7+ in several versions from different Scandinavian countries. It will be more rural than Germany, which is very sad. Some Scandinavians using German equipment can become the countries of manufacturers of this equipment. Sweden will soon be renamed Scandinavia. Can then make Central Europe out of Germany, which has top-end and pre-top leopards in service in almost every country 1, 2

[Headnaught]

+1 for a Polish tree

[Little_relaxed45]

As a fellow German main, Germany does not need the K2, already a lot of other leopards and other MBTs that Germany could get. Here is a short list:

EMBT (2017)
EMBT (2022)
KF-51
T-72S (GDR)
Leopard 2A4TD
All the 2A7s
Leopard 2A8

The only Polish MBTs that make sense are Leopard 2A5 or PT-91 Twardy.

[Mahiwew]

Why PT-91

[Little_relaxed45]

I don’t see it going to Russia as they doesn’t have a connection to Poland + Poland is in NATO. I just chose Germany because they already have Polish MBTs.

[Mahiwew]

They don’t have Polish MBTs, they have a single Leopard 2 mod that was designed for Polish export.
I agree that PT-91 has no place in the USSR tree, but there’s a better case for adding it there than in Germany.

[Little_relaxed45]

I was using the Pt-91 as an example of a Polish tank that could be added, I doubt it would go to Germany as well but it still would make more sense than the K2.

[Mahiwew]

That’s fair, people (including me) can often be a bit too pedantic and stuck on examples rather than what’s being meant.

[Yontzee]

I mean it can work. Part of my old project that I never finished for this forum but started to clean up when I have a second. Ignore the bad screenshots, I haven’t had the chance to fix them. Of note(s) the Gepard 1A2’s are properly equipped with full belts of FAPDS rounds which is why they sit significantly higher. Also the tree features just about full East German and newer modern German equipment to ease the transition with Polish vehicles. When I get back into it I am trying to smooth the transition from WWII Germany to West/East German equipment to prevent mixing too much East and West.

The old post:

Polish Ground Forces Sub-tree Redux (13 June 2023) - Mazurek Dąbrowskiego