It is 80s average the reason Is because dual pulse motors aren’t always burning, they burn when needed and shut down when they aren’t. The missiles onboard computer makes the call automatically
U mean thrust adjusting yea
Im well aware p5 has thrust adjusting but it doesnt have 2 pulse motor its only the p5 mr (with booster) and even then i doubt it can be streched to 80 sec
U have source for that?
No, it’s for sure 4+8 sec engine.
But i think Gaijin supposed to improve thrust and maneuverability, add datalink and improve EO+IR lock range and lock angle
8+4 is without thrust adjusting but it should have that
ofc in the game we still doesnt have this mechanic but improved thrust and less drag should make it compettive
Thrust adjusting?
U have source for that?
tbh not rly but its basic thing to modern missiles and i saw someone in the forum that showed smt about it also considering it has “close to ammram performane”(idf official source) safe to say it has it
anyway it doesnt matter cuz we dont have this mechanic in the game
yea, but P4 (and P5 if I’m right) have ND10 and if Gaijin improve thrust, it’s gonna be very good missile with more then 10km effective range
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One source out of many. PYTHON-4 AAM | DefenceTalk
This article clearly demonstrates the Python 4 not even the 5 having a two part motor with 80s of burn time on the sustainer and nearly 40km range from air launched platforms. If Python 4 had it I would be willing to bet money 5 has it too
https://www.rafael.co.il/system/python5/
And this second link of course is Rafael’s own website on the Python 5 shows it to have the Dual pulse motor
intresting however this site isnt a source
might be even a mistake
for rafael site i saw only two stage motor not dual pulse
On the Rafael website if you go down a bit there is a set of three text boxes that cycle the third one mentions “a 2 pulse rocket motor for longer ranges” note how it is not specified to be P5 MR, even though the same portion if the website clearly distinguishes I-Derby-ER. This leads me to conclude that they are indeed speaking about the standard Python 5 and not only the MR variant
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yep u are right but it’s very hard to see it
The Python 4 does not have the 80s second stage booster/sustainer the Python 5 does, I personally looked into this and verified it with individuals well versed in the topic.
No official document from Rafael mentions a dual pulse motor, they only said it has a powerful motor. Personally I wouldn’t trust the site. If it actually had dual pulse, then the range would be much, much more higher, maybe a little shorter than the I-Derby ER (which is confirmed to be dual pulse). The current Rafael Python 5 website does not mean the Python 5 has dual pulse, but the I-Derby ER.
Python 5 also uses almost everything from the Python 4, just adding a much better seeker, minor airframe changes and a thrust adjuster according to Rafael. The document also says its a rocket motor
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Just wanted to ask why there is no derby ER on the SPYDER it’s because of the balance or Just no Time to add in this update ?
For now it’s absence is a balancing decision
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Fair enough
Balancing how exactly? It can barely reach its posted range thanks to gaijins constant nerfs I say give it more long range juice
Wait is the update 8am or 8pm?
no dout on that
both the p5 and derby lacks in range by alot
Ask gaijin, they think giving these new SAMs a soft nerf is needed until ARMs are added (according to leakers)