How is that on the same level as something like the 2S38 or Begleitpanzer?
It’s literaly just an MBT that you happen to perform well with
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It has the armour of the T80U. A full what 1.7 BRs lower.
Has the reload of it.
Great Optics.
Good mobility, as it still has 1000 horsepower.
Good turret traverse, it is a 10.7 tank at least sliding around under the radar.
You can lob it at a 9.3 team and smash them easily.
It’s only two drawbacks are no thermals and poor reverse gear.
Plus the only thing since 2S38 got most its modules is its proxy round, it either needs to he an AA or a light.
Put it this way its almost as mobile as the 80B, has substantially better protection, reload and optics and no thermals.
Yet gets to see 9.3 ?
2s38 is literally just a light, which most folks don’t do well in.
That statement is completely irrelevant to mine about the T80UD.
I mentioned how i do with it as a way to signal i actually have it.
Yeah the T-80UD is good, you just have to have keen eyes & don’t over extend.
120S is one of your biggest threats, due to M829A2 going through most of your upper plate, and it’s 5.0 sec reload.
Ehh lack of thermals kinda a bummer. And its mobility is kinda on the poor side.
Doesn’t it also have the lawnmower engine sound that gaijin generically gave to a bunch of Soviet tanks? Aka the loudest engine sound in game now?
I’m genuinely asking, I’ve been playing a lot of the T58, and a lot of 9.7 Ussr to help my buddy get up his tech tree.
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I can push flanks solo in it man, most folks don’t anticipate it at all.
The armour allows me to survive most hits bar ofc stuff firing post 600 pen darts.
Eh I’ve met a few and haven’t died to one yet.
M1A1 though yeah its taken me out a few times now.
But still, the 80UD compared to most 10.3s is a head above.
It should be IMO treated as a side grade to the 80B.
Its mobility is not on the poor side at all? It’s only what 1.8 HP/T less than the 80b if i remember rightly.
It still has 1000HP, it’s reverse gear sucks sure, but the armour makes up for it allowing substantially more mistakes compared to say the T72 turms , or B1989.
Oh also it has a 6.5 second reload
It does yeah same aa the MBT2000 and the T64s.
People are that accustomed to it rn it feels as if they cant pin point me.
Though i reckon not enough people concentrate on good audio for the game and don’t pay attention to the engines that much.
I really am gutted the T64s never got their reload buff man, the T64B with a 6 second reload would be a banger of a 10.0 / 10.3
I got it with a talisman
I could see the T-80UD being 10.7 if it had the correct reload of 6.0 seconds. But gaijin refuses to fix their incorrect reload speed for some unknown reason, most likely because the USA mains would melt down and start WW3 in the forums.
With my current experience in the T-80UD though, it’s good, but not good enough for a br increase. A 40% wr and a 2.55 kd.
I’d probably take the 72B 1989 over the UD merely because they’re quite similar but the T72’s ammo placement is better and it’s quieter. Personal preference I know but if they cant hear you as well, they don’t know your coming.
T64B squad has been steam rolling though! All rolling the same vehicle has boasted the squad effectiveness vastly
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Even with 6.5 it is massively more effective than even T80B, folks dont realise how nich that 0.6 difference makes.
It could easily be 10.7 right now and it wouldn’t change it’s effectiveness at all.
The 40 percent win rate is misleading and we both know why, it’s nothing to do with the tank, same as how abrams win rates are were in tbe ground but the tanks are great.
The teams just leave, the 2.55 KD proves enough that you do extemely well with it even on losing teams, compare it side by side to the 80B and it shows you how effective it is…
Slightly less mobile and ofc worse reverse.
No thermals
Better armour
Better Reload
Better Optics aka magnification
Same turret traverse
Same ammo
It’s a side grade to the 80B, it’s quite odd to be sat at a lower BR.
I do okay with the 1989, but i just cannot stand T72s anymore bar the likes of the 72A or the turms…
I find the drop in mobility compared to the 80UD too much of a pain , combined with the slow reload and seriously inferior optics i just don’t see the point in usinf it over the 80UD… the sound of the T72 engines as well aren’t as loud but they definitely are just as distinct and noticeable.
Look at the tT72 1989
Worse mobility
Worse armour
Worse reload
Worse optics
Same round
Same BR.
The 80UD is better than it in most ways yet sits at the same BR, it flies right under the radar for most folks.
The 64B is a god damned blessing tbh, the combination of the Mango, optics and slightly better armour just make it nice to use, imagine we get it properly done, it would be up there with the T72B bar in armour.
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Eh T-80B’s main and only thing really is speed. I’d say thermals too because any generation is good, but most people severly dislike gen 1s.
As for why I have a 2.55 kd? Just good at the game, but I can’t hold an entire side by myself. Plus things like the T58, if they’re any example, I have a 4.17 kd in it right now, which is actually dropping because I continue to get 5v1d because my team just merely isn’t there. No excuse for either tank, but when I play Ussr I get matched with Germany fairly often… tbh I’d rather have the Brit’s, and the Italians on my team lol.
I also do carry main character energy XD
I also may have killed six tanks at br 9.7 with a BT-7(F32) the other day, had a cap and so on, was soooo close to a nuke.
Yeah if they buff the reload TL it’s correct value and get rid of the lawn mower noise for a good one it would be sweet
In which it isn’t much faster than the 80UD, it is ofc faster naturally but the 80UD is not far behind it at all.
The gen 1 thermals on it are a bit of a pain to use tbh I prefer them off.
So am I good at the game mate, but the 80UD stands out something different to me, compared to all other 10,3s.
It has a 10.7 round, reload, (now 12.0) 11.7 armour, and decent mobility, as well as 11.7 optics not often you find optics as good as that at 10.7.
The reload on it even if it was 6.5 would be awesome af, the reliability of its armour seems questionable to me TBH
I would also like ot see more modern itterations of the 64B, from 2017 at least.
They do have thermals :D
Same with T-62-M1
I use them for target acquisition only as everyone should.
Oh that is a tank i really do enjoy btw.
Absolute bidden gem, better dart than some 10.3 at 9.0 .
Quick on and off does the job.
Idk T-62-M-1 has always been bad ngl. 8.7 is was good, then they nerfed its NERA to mainly react to HEAT and not act like RHA against darts and that kinda killed the tank.
Because even the weaker darts on the XM803 will pierce you every where pretty much.
It also has one of the worst reloads for the br, with decent pen, no reverse gear etc.
Combined with one of the worst turret traverses
Then if you fight those monster 8.3-9.0 auto cannon spaa, they can just commander hatch / gun sight you and your dead.
All in all, it’s an okay 9.0
Edit: oh and what I said the other day about suspicious users returning, me and a full squad of buddies where playing the other day, and we were using the bmd-4s… anyway on space port a T-72 was pushing the German one to be exact. I told my buddy to flank him so he did, and the T-72 was looking directly at him, so I pushed, then he quite literally snapped to me and dead, didn’t helo the edge of my atgm caught the pillar on the building and blew up.
But what was crazier was I got to say “I’m dead” and he was already reloaded and killed my buddy. Was less than 4.0 secs. Talk about a super suspicious user for sure.
How’s it always been bad?
It’s got decent composites, an okay reload for a round better than most 9.7s and 10.0s.
This isn’t unique to the T62M1 that is literally any MBT that comes across them.
The Composites work just fine against darts, it’s just not super thick compisites.
The thing has decent armour in comparison to tanks with spaced armour or just plane ol’ steel
MBT 70 dart cant pen it’s composites
Also the reverse of 7.5 / 8kmph isn’t great but it’s not a massive negative either.
Especially since most of the Pattons at 9.0 got that nerf to the transmission
You have Consider vertical camera angle on… which at that low as hell angle, no it will likely glance with a chance to pen.
However:
Also, my bad, I forgot 3BM21 exists. Yes that is a good round. But the tank over all is a super glass cannon.
It’s NERA add on armor works really only against early HEAT-FS and Early APDS.
It’s like playing a T-34-85 again
Why would you take off its best feature that allows it to be entirely hidden?
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Because I just want a stabilized 30mm platform
Edit: I don’t want to explode because 1 .50 cal round hit it
even with it off it’s the exact same.
The T95E1 dart BTW is pretty damn strong for its BR to be fair, if the vehicle had a stab it would be at least 9.0
No it isn’t at all. it can stop some lower pen early APFSDS which is more than most 9.0s can say.
The fact it gets an 8.5 second reload and 3bm21, and composites is enough to move it up if they wanted
Even with it on… it pens…? Dude I literally put a screenshot here:
It has mediocre mobility, no thermals, and kinda bad turret traverse. Its reload is longer than most of its peers, it’s more akin to being a glass cannon TD.
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