Because they moved all the spaa around and left a gap. Before the zsu-23 m4 was added and others.
Then people bought it in mass for its as capability
Yeah, on PC the “Fire from secondary weapons” keybind can be used for the 100mm
The Begleit doesn’t have APFSDS or APHE (just solid shot and low pen SAP-HE), so that likely is the reason for it not going up as far as the 2S38
Honestly, both of these vehicles are disgustingly powerful and extremely annoying to fight. Their BRs could be raised to 12.0 and they would still rip MBTs apart
I feel like the solid AP round the Beglit has though over preforms, it acts like a 105mm AP round when you hit something, often 1 tapping. Plus its proxy fuze is very very fast, even not have a locking mechanism it is exceptionally good at spaa.
I wouldn’t say either is 12.0 material. Certainly could go to 11.0 and the Beglit to 10.7
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Fair, I’m just glad that we can actually agree here.
There are way too many people defending these two actual menaces.
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i doubt that was the actual reason, US AA gap between 4.0 - 7.0 were way bigger lol and took them a while until they added skink and other AA to fill it. Also Strela was at 9.3 at one point so no, russia did not need an AA for that br range
The USA has also had the M163 which is very good. And it even went down in br, and can see 6.3s now which is a bit silly.
I think most people compare the 2s38 to the HSTVL and that’s its own can of worms, but there’s a lot of those light tanks all over.
I do think they need to up br them tho.
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yea and its at 7.3? u even said it went down in br so that means it sat even higher so the gap is even bigger than 7.3
It used to sit at 7.7 forever
BTR82 @ 9.0 to replace the BMP3 for the Object279 lineup. Shame it might not have an ATGM sight, though.
That would be dumb, I really hope the atgm is removable if someone wanted
Yeah, I’m watching devstream and Oxy said it might not have it, so idk. Hopefully it will.
that’s the issue, if Gaijin wanted they could have found options far faster, Spain’s Roland 1 and Roland 2s for example. The fact they they left them with what is basically a 2S38 with a search radar as a “top tier” SPAA for so long is absurd.
if it gets atgm sight then its going way higher than 9.0
It should realistically be 9.0, with or without a separate ATGM sight.
The ATGM is the same as the one on the BMP-2M (9M133, tandem with 1200mm pen) and the gun has at least the same amount of pen as the regular BMP-2, which is at 8.7.
A higher BR would depend on the 30mm ammo, not on the availability of an ATGM sight
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I disagree, if it has ATGM sight then it will be able to shoot safely from behind cover and enemy can’t shoot back. I expect it to be 10.0 right next to the Bradley if it does get ATGM sight.
The closest comparable vehicles would be the AFT09 (9.0) and the ZT3A2 (8.3), both of them lack an autocannon.
Unless they give the BTR better autocannon ammo it would just be a sidegrade to the AFT09.
Lmao. Autoloader reload way faster than in game
The official leaked manual that I’m not allowed to post here states otherwise
I wasn’t aware USSR had the AFT09, lol. AFT09 is still number #1, eitherway. ATGM sight for BTR82 or not. AFT09 tanks hits like a boss, and has 4x ATGM ready to sling. But they perform different roles. The BTR82 will be a replacement of the BMP3 that was moved up. So I’m happy, either way.