Spawn protection for high tier AA guns (7.0 to 9.0 kind of range) lasts far to long against planes

[MotorolaCRO]

@Ace_Lonewolf

you don’t think AA’s can shoot accurately to ranges at 5km and beyond.

If you die at 5km and beyond from SPAAGs at 7.0 to 9.0 that’s all on you.

[Creastroy]

When already in a dive? Try pulling away and give a great angle for shooting good job imma be that AAA

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Creastroy

Cool. just leave SPAA there shooting you at 1km: Ground maps are small so planes won’t be far away if he’s not going for spawn

Or wait a while? Like wait for a proper moment to attack? I know that tactics are hard to understand but after getting to 7.0, You should know more.

@Ace_Lonewolf

you don’t think AA’s can shoot accurately to ranges at 5km and beyond. what have you never played a single 8.0+ match

I have played above 8.0 and know that in order to not be killed by SPAA from that range You just don’t have to fly in straight line.

[Ace_Lonewolf]

you cant pay attention, your a jet zipping past 800 km.h not a tank behind behind a rock peaking over with third person view.

All you see the stream of fire coming out spawn aimed at you

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

Or wait a while? Like wait for a proper moment to attack?

Back to Fact one: people spawns
And ofc, Spawn protection works when they aren’t expired. No one would complain if they see the popping out. If you do assume people to be without brains I can’t help

And I would say it again, Submarine Bunkers for spawns plz. Make the problem inexistent for both sides.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Creastroy

Back to Fact one: people spawns

Back to fact one: You don’t have to attack the spawn.

@Creastroy

And ofc, Spawn protection works when they aren’t expired. No one would complain if they see the popping out. If you do assume people to be without brains I can’t help

I assume that You have a brain to understand where enemy spawn is and have some kind of game knowledge after getting past 7.0 to know when to attack and when to not.

@Creastroy

And I would say it again, Submarine Bunkers for spawns plz. Make the problem inexistent for both sides.

So people die after leaving one… right. Great idea!

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

Back to fact one: You don’t have to attack the spawn.

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@Creastroy

Cool. just leave SPAA there shooting you at 1km: Ground maps are small so planes won’t be far away if he’s not going for spawn

Sweet

@ULQ_LOVER

when to attack and when to not

When I’m on the ground lol I’m not wasting SP for CAS

@ULQ_LOVER

So people die after leaving one

Hell Don’t you know when to leave and when not to? Can’t you go into the woods? You can even come back in!
While that’s a whole other thing: players get CASed at an random position in the map.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Creastroy

Sweet

Or don’t engage the target if You know that SPAA is targeting You? I thought that is the first thing You should learn.

@Creastroy

When I’m on the ground lol I’m not wasting SP for CAS

You are the one wasting SP for CAS by attacking SPAA at the spawn that is attacking You.

@Creastroy

Can’t you go into the woods?

lmao.

[MotorolaCRO]

@ULQ_LOVER

Or don’t engage the target if You know that SPAA is targeting You? I thought that is the first thing You should learn.

Look, they wanted to be uninterrupted while molesting tanks.
How dare you try and stop their fun.

[Ace_Lonewolf]

No one is saying that. I just want equal opportunity. If the AA gun is in a position to shoot and kill me, I should be in a position to shoot and kill it.

You cant just circle around the engages of the map forever until a AA gun finally luck shots you.

At some point you have to move into engagement range

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

Or don’t engage the target if You know that SPAA is targeting You

Back to Fact 1: New spawner
And Back to this:

@Creastroy

No one would complain if they see the popping out

:D

@ULQ_LOVER

You are the one wasting SP for CAS by attacking SPAA at the spawn that is attacking You

Back to this:

@Creastroy

If you do assume people to be without brains I can’t help

And

@ULQ_LOVER

lmao.

Just like people on this forum tells CAS to use terrain when Pradesh &c aren’t in the rotation, Yes!

[ULQ_LOVER]

You are even in better position, You can just wait for proper moment to attack it while it is distracted.

@Creastroy

Back to Fact 1: New spawner
And Back to this:

Back to fact one: You don’t have to attack spawn.

If You can’t do things like watching the battlefield while attacking then an air unit could do what SPAA does.

[Ace_Lonewolf]

@ULQ_LOVER

You can just wait for proper moment to attack it while it is distracted.

I do and that’s where spawn protection kicks in. I see it spraying off at a plane flying the other direction, come in to attack it. Oh spawn protection its IMMUNE. by the time I find this out I’m less than 1km away and its impossible to evade it returning fire

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

better position

To be seen, to be locked, to be shot.
yum planes more profit

@ULQ_LOVER

Back to fact one: You don’t have to attack spawn

Last time:

@Creastroy

@ULQ_LOVER

Back to fact one: You don’t have to attack the spawn.

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@Creastroy

Cool. just leave SPAA there shooting you at 1km: Ground maps are small so planes won’t be far away if he’s not going for spawn

Sweet

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Ace_Lonewolf

I do and that’s where spawn protection kicks in. I see it spraying off at a plane flying the other direction, come in to attack it. Oh spawn protection its IMMUNE. by the time I find this out I’m less than 1km away and its impossible to evade it returning fire

So You put Yourself in a situation where if someone else spawned SPAA, he would kill You no matter if first SPAA had spawn protection or not.

The change You are proposing would make SPAA useless against air units if there is more than one air unit.

@Creastroy

Last time:

If You want to die so badly, then do it.

[Ace_Lonewolf]

Air units are already near useless.

The advantage the better AA’s like the M247 or PGZ09 with their long range proximity detonated flak and AHEAD ammo’s is absurd. a competent player in 1 of these will sweep the entire sky.

Spawn protection is just the final nail in the coffin, even if you manage to evade them and close the gap to engage they are IMMUNE to damage when you arrive and there is no chance against them to survive long enough to make another pass at anything

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

If You want to die so badly, then do it.

If you are leaving SPAA alive near spawn, do it.

Oh and I may have to tell you that we are not talking about an major balance issue. It’s more relevant to quality of life changes. D

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Ace_Lonewolf

Air units are already near useless.

Because?

@Ace_Lonewolf

The advantage the better AA’s like the M247 or PGZ09 with their long range proximity detonated flak and AHEAD ammo’s is absurd. a competent player in 1 of these will sweep the entire sky.

Or a competent player in a heli with guided ATGMs will wipe all the SPAAs and ground units?

@Ace_Lonewolf

Spawn protection is just the final nail in the coffin, even if you manage to evade them and close the gap to engage they are IMMUNE to damage when you arrive and there is no chance against them to survive long enough to make another pass at anything

Again:

@ULQ_LOVER

So You put Yourself in a situation where if someone else spawned SPAA, he would kill You no matter if first SPAA had spawn protection or not.

@Creastroy

If you are leaving SPAA alive near spawn, do it.

If that allows me to kill it later on when it is distracted or engage other targets that is the best thing to do.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Ace_Lonewolf

The advantage the better AA’s like the M247 or PGZ09 with their long range proximity detonated flak and AHEAD ammo’s is absurd.

M247 is really good for it’s BR, most other SPAAGs not so much.

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

If that allows me

Ground maps are small. Sadly you would be the one who is seen, engaged, stared at till you are distracted or engaging other targets, and shot at. Or the whole thing could be done when you decide to pull away at close range YumYum