USA need Patriot
Yep, 15k ft and about 8km of lateral range was not enough distance to protect me from a 2S6 and spamming flares and chaff did nothing either. That means the 2S6 definetly outranges the ADATS
2s6 need up br 11.7
Yea that seems fair
you’re not slipping in making a german SPAA lower when all its worse counterparts are going up.
You are a german main so I expect no less but that was just blatant
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Probably a holdover from when the missile was quite bad(tho I don’t know what its current state is like), however they conveniently nerfed it right before the pantsir was added.
Convient that enver happens with any other nation
Give Russia the S-400 then. Careful what you wish for.
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bBb-buuutT tHe PaNtSiR!1!1
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The 2s6 missile is a shambles of a missile man, its incredibly easy to dodge… I hate russian SPAA, but the 2s6 just aint it man.
in GSB its still got massive smoke trails behind it, the strela is a far, far worse threat than the 2S6 and is a lower BR than it.
mans made himself clear as day with that one isnt it xD move the flarakpanzer to 10.0 and all the rollands go too. and all the stinger launchers would need to move down to compensate.
This is a sim issue, mostly. Even then, it is still one of the least threatening SAMs.
It is a bit worse than the ADATS, in my experience. I’m not a fan of the ADATS, generally do shit with the ADATS. I prefer the tunguska, but it definitely isn’t more effective (pretty sure most of my kills with tunguska are the cannons). Now, the one that should go up is the Strela. That thing is an abomination both to use and deal with.
am i the only one that sits here thinking the adats is the only one that has anti tank missiles rather than anti air missiles
im pretty sure a pansir isnt gonna frontally obliterate a t80bvm or a abrams with its rockets, it has apds rounds for its gun that can penn basicly any side armor in the game making it more of a tank destroyer that can also do some anti air
How about we get new spaa added and make spaa stronger rather than nerfing them.
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I’ve used it very recently and it has good performance if you’re shooting something that’s <4km away.
If you’re targeting something further away missile starts having a mind of it’s own, so hitting anything that isn’t actively trying to headbutt a missile becomes really hard.
I had strike drones dodging the missile from 8-9km out.
If you’re after 4-5km+ shots, I believe Osa is on-par or even better as it’s motor burns for a much longer time.
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Thing is, they are fine where they are IF they were modelled correctly.
Currently, Gaijin has intentionally crippled them because they and all other Roland Systems are supposed to have automatic missile guidance. CLOS, instead, we get SACLOS in War Thunder, severely nerfing the already poor SPAA. To add to that, the missile motors produce too much smoke and are too visible.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/srVDgp1aBFSB
Well, currently VT1 is seriously weakened in the game compared to what they can do in reality - 35G at 8km and 15km effective interception range.
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And the capabilities of the Strela 10 to overload intercepted targets in the game are greatly exaggerated; the army manual directly states that the overload of intercepted targets does not exceed 3-5G. (~17G missile)
I even created a bug report about the excessively high maneuverability of the Strela 10M2 missiles, but they found a person who claimed that the 9M37M has an overload of 40(!)G, which is practically impossible or possible only in the first kilometer of flight and a rapid drop in overload to 17G further on.
I don’t see any documents with 40G that he provided, maybe he is a front agent of the Gaijins who is breaking the balance in favor of Russia/USSR.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1iz1DL1I8YoI
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can u dm me the VT-1 brochure thingy?
ive been looking for the 15km range figure for a while lol
@BiFoxGuy
we should probably find out the document that fellow shared for the 40G figure
That’s the problem, I haven’t seen any figures on the Internet yet, let alone documents, that claim the 9M37(M) has a 40G overload. Considering that the interception is declared to be a maximum of 5G, 40G is impossible for the missile.
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Why 17? In order for a missile to intercept a target, it has to pull 2,5-3x the G the target pulls. So if it does max 5, then 15G is the value you are looking for.
Yes, I know about the three-fold rule, I just took it with a margin.
By the way, an interesting fact: the 9M39 Igla can intercept targets with a maneuver of 6-8G when the rocket itself is overloaded by 10G.
Perhaps the autopilot guidance method (electronic circuit) and the aerodynamic design of the rocket play a role.