SPAA Overload and the Systematic Destruction of Aviation Balance

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This makes things even worse and gives aa even more time to react and eliminate missiles.

That would require you to know exact spot of aa and fly higher to guide missile on target. And while you are trying to spot sam behind all those trees its already guiding its missile towards you because their radar has magical ability to see through trees. Plus there is a huge rock they can hide behind so you would need to expose even more.

Its not that difficult to pull of when your field isnt in open area and when map isnt filled with trees obstructing your view. And when you are playing proper helicopter with proper missiles and proper autocannon. Last one is optional

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While you bring up good points, you do actually leave out the many cases where cas just bombs and flies arou d from above the AA window spawn camping. So unless a team mate has grinded their aircraft line and is able to fly in and counter… you are out of luck. However, many players, and many of the teams I have been on, dont have ANY aircraft.

So what then? Because in this case aircraft are godmode that cant be touched or even seen. USA for example, no radar screen until 10.0, and its guided to target which is super easy to evade. We have no way of seeing where the target it at absurdly high altitudes let alone a means of even touching the plane.

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Some people want CAS gameplay to be more than just a 1v1 duel against an OP 70sp vehicle.

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You can play assault arcade and kill as many bots you want with cas.

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  1. You can’t
  2. You’re silly
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Wdym you cant, in ground you can play helis or spawn planes with a certain amount of kills. In air sometimes ground units spawn (artillery).

Or just create a private match against bots.

If you want changes to exploit cas and make the other team struggle, multiplayer not for you.

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This is contrary to you wanting spaa to have the high performing AP rounds.

Adding the AP rounds means spaa can counter

  • air (currently can)
  • light tanks (currently can)
  • other spaa (currently can)
  • Medium tanks (currently can in many cases)
  • SPG
  • Heavy tanks

I believe the above lists ALL the unit types.

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If you want to play solely against tanks, then just set up a custom match with ai enemies 😜

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I’m not interested in arguing back and forth on this matter. I’ll leave it at this: if you are struggling to make kills in a helicopter, particularly after the recent update, it points to a massive skill issue on your part rather than an issue with the game itself.

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I do not have issues playing against tanks, spaa or cas. I use them all even.

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I didn’t say you had issues playing tanks or CAS, I’m saying you should follow your own advice and play custom battles with ai if you don’t want CAS.

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You are missing the point of argument then. Because Im currently discussing certain helipad on certain map and how its terrible at any tier besides top tier swamp.

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Not really. The maximum armor penetration for most of the currently-missing SPAAG rounds, other than the ZSU-57/2, is less than what that thing’s current APHE belt gets. Any tank with more than 145mm of armor can resist all of the proposed additions frontally without any angling. Add in any angling, and the required amount of armor goes down considerably.

Flak43/44 APCR would pen at most 142mm. Bofors L/60 & L/70 APDS would pen at most 125-135mm. APDS from the likes of 20mm Gatling cannons or some of the other SPAAG guns would pen at most around that same range.

Through the sides or rear, yes, these rounds would slaughter most tanks in the game. That’s the point - to be able to kill almost anything only through the sides or rear.

But frontally? Not just no, but hell no.

Especially if the real problem with tank-killing SPAAG is dealt with - barrel damage making it impossible to shoot. The ability to disable the firepower of a vehicle you otherwise have no ability to frontally pen is what makes SPAAGs so obnoxious - you first lose your gun, then your tracks, then he/she can stroll up to you and proceed to drive-by kill you. Delete barrel damage from the game, and SPAAGs can no longer do this shit. They can still break tracks, but unless the SPAAG jumps you from outside your tank’s turret traverse, you will be more than able to kill them, no questions asked.

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You can do so with 11.3 YAH64 and not just “top tier swamp”, hell id argue lower BRs have it easier due to worse SPAAs. Against pantsir and in the context of the mozdok helipad, its not very hard to kill one via saturation attack. The helipad is within 5km which makes hellfires still be bearable.
Additionally, you have 16 hellfires, it has 12 ready to fire missiles and needs to wait 45 seconds before deploying ammo box after spawning. Even if he somehow managed to intercept all 16 missiles (i would suggest firing them at different angles via Yaw) you still managed to waste 16 of his missiles effectively. And honestly id like to see a pantsir able to intercept 16 tandem launched hellfires in a row that are coming from different angles.
Also like was pointed out, in case of annoying SPAAs you fire via IOG first and then pop up. If you keep LOS on a pantsir for example while guiding hellfires, thats your own damn fault.
And the entire argument for “finding SPAA” is just dumb. Mozdok is one of the smallest non-city maps. Theres like 3 spots for SPAAs to hide in and 2 are within their spawn.