Seeing that Sovetsky Soyuz and Kronshtadt were never actually built and fall under the same category of development as Mouse, Panther 2 or a number of other removed vehicles, when will these be removed ?
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Naval follows a different set of rules compared to other modes
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Never going to be removed, same as every other ‘project’ ship ingame
Z52 (germany), SMS Sachsen (germany), RN Comandante Margot (italy), etc
As long as the ship was laid down, its valid
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Naval has different rules so that there can be some more vehicle diversity.
It also means unrealistic commie pipedreams can be fully realised in the game, even though soyuz and Kronshtadt could never have been completed by the USSR even if the shipyard never had problems during the war.
They would never have gotten much further than this without being so comprimised they would have been floating scrap before launching.
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You would have to remove almost all of german BBs as well if you remove all unfinished ships.
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Lucky there are No other “fantasy” ships.
Imagine if latest addition on naval, would be fantasy and brit. Should it be removed also?
Tosa, Lion, Sachsen, Mackensen, Ersatz Yorck, One of the Pr68s, Izmail, Z51, 52, 46 and 47.
This isn’t the full incomplete ship list.
But Germany has the most in game right now.
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Pretty sure that was sarcasm, maybe
Maybe. Hard to tell in text.
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Somebody spots it. ;)
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Of course another post whinging about two ship… uuuugh must I keep posting my list???
List of non completed warships:
Italy:
• Commandante Margottini, Commandante Medaglie d’Oro class Destroyer
• Etna, Etna class cruiser, Originally ordered as HTMS Taksin, Taksin class cruiser
• Francesco Caracciolo, Francesco Caracciolo Battleship, never finished
• Conte di Cavour, Conte di Cavour class Battleship, AA refit.(built & served, refit shown in game was what it was meant to have)
Japan:
• Amagi, Amagi class Battlecruiser
• Tosa, Tosa class Battleship
Technically speaking the only true fake vessel since the devs screwed up the model: Type 5, the Project 23 is more real than this…
• IJA Type 5 Escort Boat, wooden version was real, steel version was never built, in game it’s a chimera of the two.
• T-51b, fixed, used to be a fake version (used to be 1×3 25 mm, now a 3×1 25 mm, fixed after T-51a was added with 1×2 25 mm mount)
France:
• Clemenceau, Richelieu class Battleship
Germany:
• Z15 Erich Steinbrinck Type 1934A, Projected AA refit from my understanding (subject debated due to serving until wars end)
• SMS Sachsen, Bayern class Battleship, not completed
• Ersatz Yorck, Ersatz Yorck class Battlecruiser, 5% completion
• Gneisenau, Scharnhorst class Battleship, projected armament refit
• Z46 & Z47 Type 1936C, both scrapped on their slips.
• Z51 Type 1942, sunk in air raid iirc.
•Z52 Type 1944, dismantled on slip
• Mackensen, Mackensen class Battlecuiser, never finished
• VS-10 apparently, trails done, ready for fitting out but bombed in air raid.
The Soviets/ Imperial Russia:
• Project 68BIS-ZIF Shcherbakov, projected AA layout
• Project 69 Kronshtadt, 12" armed never completed
• Project 69I Sevastopol, 15" armed never completed
• Project 23 Sovetsky Soyuz, never completed
• Project 41 Erevan, never finished
• Project 82 Stalingrad, never finished
• Izmail class Battlecruiser Izmail, never finished.
Feels weird finally adding Britain:
• HMS Lion, Lion class Battleship 1938, Never completed.
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it’s not like any part of the game is based on reality is it
( sorry to burst your tender bubble ‘reality’ tm players )
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Funny joke comrade! 🤣
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Oh and dont worry, as you play USA , most of players shoots you for 2 reasons.
- USA boats looks like bots.
- They blow up easily.
PS. But dont worry, you wont face sovetsky soon ;)
Never. They are fully compliant with the current guidelines for ships.
Are you aware that the Sovetsky Soyuz and Kronshtadt are not the only ships in the game that were not built to 100% IRL, right?
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It’s not going to happen. What we need to push for is a maximum BR increase so the Soyuz and probably Iowa move up, and some others can get shuffled around. The problem with the uncompleted ships is that Gaijin (in their infinite wisdom) gives the best possible paper stats to some ships (Soyuz) and the worst possible stats to ships that were actually built (Littorio class for instance). There isn’t a lot of consistency.
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no but seriously - and it might be an unpopular opinion - i hope Gaijin eventually gets rid of them all
I will say though, that if your list also represented ships that are a major balancing issue, then asking for Soyuz’s removal only starts making a little more sense
If we want to be lesst extreme, nerf the armor, would make sense historically and gameplay wise (successor to Kron : good guns, bad armor)
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2 BBs Bayern is real and so is Scharnhorst yorck and Sachsen are only ones that are “fake” yorck is a faster bayern with worse armor while sachsen is a slightly nimbler version than bayern cause it has diesel
worth noting that Sachsen was much farther completed than russian stuff
Ersatz Yorck is literally an upgunned Mackensen.
Why? They all fit the criteria to be added in the first place. Incomplete ships should exist and removing them because ‘it’s unfun to fight’ isn’t an excuse.
Yes, the Pr23 deserves an armor nerf but removing it isn’t fair.
i wouldnt mind paper ships but they would actually have to follow the blue prints not design concepts real blueprints like montana etc that have specs on them that arent made up