They have, you will not find multiple refits of the same ship in-game. You will find multiple refits of the same class ingame, but the one ship will only appear once and in one tree.
There’s a whole topic on it
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On what what document those who claims that USSR could not create that kind of ship are rely on?
Btw. It reload speed should be 2.5-2.6 spm.
Literally the soviet document that stated they couldnt even produce armour above 200mm thickness of reliable quality to sustain fire.
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That stated that in 1939 they couldn’t cause of high amount of defects, when in the same book stated that in 1941 USSR could produce 220mm thickness plates, which is based on book what one was published in 1995 in the time when in Russia were hard politic fight against the USSR heritage and continues press campaign on discreditation of the USSR to hold the political power in independent Russian federation in times of economical crisis.
Is is a trustworthy source?
Is there any Soviet source that supports the fact they could actually complete the Project 23 ships that wasnt basically made out of fear of stalin?
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Do you understand that in 1941 Great Patriotic War started?(on the start of the war in the same book stated that ship was ready in 21%+ ) And in September of 1941 famous horrible “Blockade of the Leningrad” began, where ship is constructed. The ship wasn’t built not because of USSR couldn’t do it but because of war. And in 1943 every country realized that the time of the battleships is over.
yes im not stupid, im saying that even if the war hadnt started the soviets had no way of realistically completing the ship, just because the keel was laid and it was “21%” complete doesnt mean they couldve done the other 79% with no problems if they didnt scrap the ships for steel, hell one of the reasons they scrapped the ships for the steel was because of the unfeasability of building them any more.
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Yes, because industries are set in stone and cannot improve and/or be developed (especially under planned economy) /s
Lmao. No armor, problems gun. no mech. etc
deck RHA. In game - cemented, unique deck lol
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if you think the soviet naval industry couldve undergone an improvement to double the thickness of producable armour plating in any reasonable amount of time to complete the Project 23s than that is maybe even more fictional than the ships representation in game.
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A planned economy can make things worse in things like this.
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About after war
However, the battleship of Project 23 was not included in the naval shipbuilding plan approved by the government decree of November 27, 1945.
This was primarily ensured by the leadership of the NKSP (People’s Commissariat of the Shipbuilding Industry), who feared that due to the complete lack of production of thick armor, as well as key components such as artillery, fire control systems, boilers, propeller shafts, etc., completing even a single battleship of Project 23 would become a difficult issue.
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It was scraped after 1953.
Damn, I wonder in what year Stalin died and what consequences that could have had on all the unfeasible naval projects he started that could never have been finished, but everyone around him was too scared to tell him that?
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Construction been frozen in 1943. Everyone included Stalin know that. Despite that there were designing of next types of ships but only in paper like all countries navy did after 1943.
No document needed, the thing didn’t exist.
If it were implemented realistically, it would be a floating barge with no engines and no guns. This is reality, and it is disapointing sometimes…
We wouldn’t even have this discussion if it looked balanced to an extent, which it will clearly not be because of the 420mm armor and the guns
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Nah, y’all will. Just purely out of the fact that it unfinished battleship. Maybe without constant “But Soviets couldn’t make cemented plates greater than 200mm!” and constantly invoking Stalin’s name as if he’s some kind of Greater demon (maybe)
Well ok i can’t talk for the others
i personally don’t mind having a semi-fake soviet ship in the game, otherwise they’d be left with nothing.
The habit of Gaijin to go with the optimistic version is a bit annoying in the long run though
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Cant argue about that. At least if it was universally applied (God, I would pay for “What if?” of Object 292)
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People arguing that the soviets could have made the ship when we already have evidence showing they can barely build an aircraft carrier? What fantasy world are you guys living in where russia was ever a naval super power?
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