Your example for the soviets capability to build Soyuz is another ship they were unable to build? Interesting train of thought.
How can you say that confidently? The guns were never mounted on a ship. And you cant even pull a comparison from some other soviet ship, because the soviets never built a modern battleship. Everything about this abomination is pure guesswork.
The barrels were, but I dont beleive they were ever put into the full the gun turret and even if they were, land based tests are not accepted for other ships with wise to things such as accuracy, and yet they are accepted for the Soyuz which is unfair.
The reload rate was reduced to this amount to give a tiny bit of balance, but is still technically accurate. Many other top tier ships, such as all British 15/16" guns have an artificially increased reload of 5 seconds for balancing reasons. There is no reason why the same couldnt be applied to Soyuz in a minor attempt to actual provide balance.
The problem is… the only top tier ships that can actually fight Soyuz is Iowa and Soyuz. Everyone else doesnt really stand much of a chance. Sure, Yamato if uncontested can do some damage, but thats about it. Ive laid into a Soyuz in Vanguard and Rodney and barely managed to scratch the paint work, there is no way in hell that Soyuz is balanced at 8.7 and needs a BR increase if they wont add limits to her performance to bring it down to at least be on par with Iowa.
I have essentially stopped playing top tier NRB because the winner is decided by which team has the most Soyuz, that is not fun, that is not skill, that is just random chance, a lottery. I would rather play any other naval BR where skill actually matters.
and the statshark supports that, with Soyuz having an exceptionally high K/D, nearly 3 points higher than Iowa and quadruple that of Yamato, with averaging around double the K/D of most 8.3/8.0 ships and I assume a large chunk of that just comes from the fact they can actually see downtiers and avoid seeing Soyuz from time to time.
There is no argument that justifies having the best naval nation in game be the nation with the worst navy IRL AND for top tier naval to be a largely a single ship battlefield. Instead of Iowa, they should have added south or north carolina and instead of Soyuz they should have added… well, there is nothing else to add, so nothing.
Then add Soyuz and Iowa alongside ships like the Lion-Class and other similar paper ships that were never actually built. (I know Iowa was built, talking about Soyuz)
What is the accuracy of the guns at a distance of 35-45 km? (in the game)
Unable to build because shifting priorities. Why would they build [capital ships] when they’re busy being invaded on [land?]
[Why would they commit to building a battleship or even a pair of battlecruisers - after Germany surrendered - when it was already apparent the aircraft carriers were the future?]
This isn’t hard to understand.
I never said anything about dispersion, I simply stated the guns existed.
As for captured hulls, depends on Gaijin. Given Russia has a Conti di Cavour class in its tree, Germany has a norwegian sloop and france has a zerstorer.
With gaijin decision to combine and implement every best spec for this ship I expect Lion get the same treatment with its heavy design
Yamato has a myriad of issues with its model, like its definitely [not] 640m turning radius but this isn’t the thread for best girl.
Gaijin: 2 minute reloads and less pen than Rodney? You got it
:P
When did the gaijins invent the 457mm guns for the PR-23?
Because if youre ruled by a one man dictatorship priorities and capabilities dont matter. Do you want to be the guy telling stalin that you cant actually build a 65K ton battleship, because the 8k ton cruisers you built were already plagued with issues? The reason why we say Soyuz is a pipe dream is because theres no reason to assume that the soviets were able to build it since they already failed much smaller projects.
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The kirov was laid down in 1936. Soyuz 1938. Construction for Soyuz was going mostly fine until 1941 when Germany invaded.
There’s no evidence saying that Russia was incapable of building it outside of biases.
'b-but the armor-" already debunked. ‘the guns-’
No.
Main Characteristics – MK-1 (406.4/50 B-37)
General
Parameter Value
Swinging Part Name: 406.4/50 B-37
Number of Barrels: 3
Barrel Type: Tinted full barrel
Full Barrel Length: 20,720 mm
Liner Length: 19,857 mm
Number of Rifling Cuts: 40
Depth of Cuts: 8.1 mm
Rifling Width: 20 mm
Field Width: 11.92 mm
Liner Weight: 14,035 kg
Chamber Volume: 441.2 dm³
Maximum Pressure: 3,200 kg/cm²
Muzzle Energy: 39,000 tm
Barrel Life (with live charge): 300 shots
Ammunition & Loading
Feature Details
Barrel Blowout System: Present
Ammunition Type: Separate loading (shell + two charges)
Breech Mechanism Type: Piston gate
Shutter Operation Time (Electric): 10 seconds
Charging System: Surfboard-type refill
Charging Time: 8 seconds (electric) / 80 seconds (manual)
Charging Angles: +6° or +8°
Elevation & Firing Characteristics
Parameter Value
Elevation Range: -2° to +45°
Muzzle Velocity: 830 m/s
Maximum Firing Range: 250 cable lengths
Rate of Fire: 1.75–2.5 rounds/min
Aiming Speed (Horizontal): 4.55°/sec
Aiming Speed (Vertical): 6.2°/sec
Fire Control & Sighting
Component Type/Quantity
Turret Sights: 2 × MB-2
Turret Rangefinder: DM-12
Armor Protection
Component Thickness (mm)
Frontal Plates: 495 mm
Rear Plates: 410 mm
Side Plates: 230 mm
Roof: 230 mm
Bulkheads Between Guns: 60 mm
Barbet: 425 mm
Weight & Crew
Component Value
Swinging Part (per gun): 197.67 tons
Rotating Part: 2,087 tons
Total Weight: 2,364 tons
Turret Crew: 100 men
Cool dude you sent some numbers, coincidentally thats pretty much all that Soyuz ever was. Nothing in the shipbuilding history of the USSR gives the confidence that they would have actually been able to build it. A ship of this size would have been an insane undertaking even for naval superpowers.
America built Iowa in two years. Japan built Yamato in roughly 5.
Soyuz taking about the same as Yamato isn’t impossible
Yes, the problem is that we need even more powerful ships, so we need to wait a bit and rework the project to suit the new conditions, so we have 2 pr-26, 2 pr-26bis and 2 pr-26bis2, and only 2 ships were not laid down
Comparing the naval industry of the soviet union with the japanes and especially the american one is so unintentionally funny.
Yes im aware that the rules for ships are different. Im not against Soyuz being in the game. Im against Soyuz being in the game as a broken Gigaship that blows actual built Battleships that were constrained by reality out of the water without contest. My problem is that due to the completely fantastical nature of Soyuz Gaijin could just have implemented her in the game in a balanced way but they actively decided to make a pipe dream ship the WW2 cream of the crop.
And thinking Russia couldn’t build Soyuz when it was clearly constructed to some degree is copium.
Unfinished =/= incapability.
The point is; Russia had the industry [with some caveats] at the time that wouldn’t allow the ship to be at its full capabilities. Purposely ignoring it just because of previous project problems doesn’t make sense to me.
I already gave the reasons it was cancelled: There wasn’t a need for it during Germany’s initial invasion, when construction was put on hold - nor after with Germany’s surrender.
The term “naval industry” is rather strange, since in fact most of the components were produced in civilian factories.
