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I’ve ran into a few sources saying it’s 25mm
Another players had found that the AP model is too early for the A-IX-2 powder and it should be using normal TNT filler. So its filler should be reduced to 25.7kg. Large but not ridiculous.
Though someone really needs to look at her armored scheme and that ridiculous armored section on her bow. Its a nonsensical feature more useful to War Thunder Naval damage models than irl applications and highly suspicious. Just having it removed would do wonders in making her less invincible.
Final note is to move most of her crew to her machinery spaces because them hiding in her most armored sections in the magazines is bullshit. That, she’ll be more vulnerable to crew death.
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Actually it would be more useful in real life as Gaijin doesn’t implement shell getting slower when hitting armor.
Her current crew in dev server is about 100 less than what is projected, so maybe not big help?
I would rather suggest Soyuz in 9.3, Iowa in 9.0 so all new battleships would only fight themselves.
Kind of hard to find a source for a fantasy ship there bubba.
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Sovetsky Soyuz reminds me of a Battleship I “designed” when I was a teenager for random fun knowing full well that it would never have been feasible at all; just a fantasy that does not take into account any of the factors that would determine viability.
Just a kid going “hey, I’m going to draw coolest thing ever in the universe!” while having an afternoon snack after school.
And, as it has been pointed out, there’s sadly nothing that can be done for a more realistic and grounded implementation, since the only sources for this ship are the optimistic and idealistic theorical designs.
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Optimus Primowa when
Have you tested the ship already ?
You cannot sunk it !
Its not only ammo rack, this is in overall a russian bias joke.
Nothing in completed. 3 or more compartments in black ? Do no sunk.
I’m bored to make bug repport to TRY to correct things to listen this : Developers don’t plan to add these shells to HMS Warspite.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/lDNtGtaJVmYl
Or : Thank you for your interest in improving the game. 1st generation naval radars were not very advanced and due to their technological limitations were not always able to maintain a reliable target lock. This is depicted in the game as well.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/NfOPBg9Kqrn0
It happen on every radar in the naval. Not only “first” ones.
Then, why to make bug repport when you find documents from your hat from nowhere in 20x20pixel quality : Community Bug Reporting System
Community Bug Reporting System
Then, why to make bug repport when some are open since 2 years and accepted by dev ?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/AKYY3eV8IVcY
Its just a value to change and its look like the hardest thing to do.
So, before release something. Test it and see if its balanced and if there is no bug.
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They will find all kinds of reasons to refuse to admit their mistakes. Or simply forget the existence of this mistake.
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Did you made a bug report for that in Community Bug Reporting System ?
If not, that won’t be fixed. And having these issues addressed would go a long, long way with addressing the balance in the new top tier. 😍
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If you count it by one-by-one on visual model, it won’t make any meaning as visual model doesn’t correspond with damage model.
I have little to no experience in naval history. Can you explain why this ship is inaccurate?
From my understanding the hull wall partially completed and the gun was tested on a ground platform so what from this is unrealistic?
Is it a “clear marketing lie” issue? Or is it Gaijin’s vision (how it’ll perform if it was completed) that’s the issue? Not sure if that makes sense.
Also how is possible to build a shell, that is 110kg lighter than the Iowa’s, has nearly around the same pen as the Iowa’s yet has double (21kg more) the explosive mass?
Was Russia’s Navy really that advanced and ahead of it’s time?
The largest warship the soviets built until the nuclear cruiser/aircraft carrier were the sverdlov class ‘light’ cruisers (16k ton displacement). compare that to the sovetsky soyuz’ supposed 70k tons.
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the soviets literally did not poses the ability to make armor thick enough for it
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how do you create a bug report for something that never existed?
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Find document, books about it and use it as reference, as commissioned ships does.
So, what do you want to report?
The ground test is the problem as those tests really alter the performance of the gun ( here’s a photo of said gun in Leningrad):
A “on ground” test really dope the performance of the gun for different reasons:
- No alteration from sea induced conditions (no waves, changin course, ship oscillations)
- No problems or delays derivated from the mechanical operations of the elevators (everything is in the casemate with the gun or just below it)
- Only a single gun a.k.a. no delays waiting the other guns to be ready and full operational space for the testers (way bigger than the one in the turret)
- Oversized casemate for the gun ( no need for rangefinders or space for the crew in the back as all instruments were on the ground and againg full space for operations inside it).
For a simple comparison is like bringing a F1 car to a Go-Kart race and then tell everyone that was a difficul race after overlapping everyone multiple times.
We have the same situation with Kirov in game that use the ground tested gun 11 seconds while documents states that that turret was so cramped that a 30s reload was a good performance.
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From my understanding the hull wall partially completed and the gun was tested on a ground platform so what from this is unrealistic?
Currently, the Sovetsky Soyuz has a maximum armor thickness of 420mm of rolled cemented armor, even though the Soviets were unable to make cemented armor thicker than 230mm. So this isn’t the case of “the war ended before it could be complete” or “they had a material shortage”. Even if the war had continued and materials weren’t an issue, Soviet shipyards were literally unable to complete the ship as it is in game. I’m fine with them keeping the 420mm plates, but the armor type should be changed at the very least.
Also how is possible to build a shell, that is 110kg lighter than the Iowa’s, has nearly around the same pen as the Iowa’s yet has double (21kg more) the explosive mass?
The round is overperforming even compared to the official numbers. The official Soviet stats for that round was that it could pen a 406mm plate at 25 degrees from 13.6km away. On dev, it’s currently at 450mm at 30 degrees from 15km, so a considerable increase. I’m too lazy to do the actual math, but I’d assume it’s max pen should be more like 770 or so, compared to the 852 it is right now.
As for the explosive mass, they use A-IX-2 which has a crazy TNT equivalent, at least according to whatever source Gaijin uses, so while it only has 25kg of explosive, this translates to the current 39.58kg
Was Russia’s Navy really that advanced and ahead of it’s time?
Not at all. The Soviet navy was quite weak in WW2 compared to pretty much every other major power. In terms of large ships, they only had a total of 3 battleships and 7 cruisers, many of which were from WWI. You can get a pretty good sense of this already from the ships we have in WT. 5 out of the 8 BBs in the tech tree are either project ships that were never completed or were ships from other nations that ended up in Soviet service one way or another.
The armor is honestly what annoys me most about this whole thing. I don’t mind fake ships being added. In fact, I’d love to see some other iconic designs that never made it to completion like the German H-class and Japanese A-150s. But to not only make the fake ship based on all these “ideal” values but also be the best ship in the game is quite annoying. These paper ships should be worse if anything, than how we might estimate them to have performed IRL, since there are so many factors that could’ve influenced how they’d have performed if they were actually built.
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