Did they update the dev again?
No yet today
did you forget that was the case with the 9-13 too? R-60s are awful lol
and yes, you dont have to fly the F-16. you can also just take out the 14B and tripple the amount of radar missiles you get while still having amazing flight performance. but to answer your question, yes, and thats because the 7M is still very much a usable missile, and you get an amazing, easy to fly and master platform to fire them from.
flight performance wise the SMT is very much a downgrade btw, dont know if youve actually flown it but, trust me, its a bit of a brick especially compared to the absolute crotch rocket the 16C is, and thats not even mentioning the block 10, and block 15 to a lesser extent. not sure if they removed the limiters for the C yet
bruh i dont care all your posts are just cope
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The R-60 was balanced with the R-27ER, and now you’re telling me to fly a 12.0 aircraft to counter a 12.3, that’s not really how game balance should work
you realize br ranges exist for that very reason right? just because its not at the same br doesnt mean it cant. Otherwise, please, do tell me how BR is the defining factor in wether or not you can effectively use the F-14B to counter the SMT.
keep in mind that “counter” doesnt equal to “curb stomp”. in this case its wether or not theyre equal to eachother
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I mean the fact that the F-14 is both huge and very hot makes it an incredibly easy target for the R-73 or R-27ET.
Also BR 12.0 should be balanced for 12.0 BR 12.3 should be balanced for 12.3 all aircraft at the same BR should be about equally capable, that’s not an insane thing to expect
Glad it got the LRF, now just waiting for India’s unique 125mm round(s) to be added as a Tier IV.
and it gets an incredible amount of flares to make up for that. just dont be so heavy on the afterburner, itll win the dogfight if you just flare properly, it aint hard, just use the incredibly advanced Mk.1 eyeball to actually look around you to see if someones trying to get a missile off on you. which again some people somehow still dont know how to do, so i still dont quite see how it cant fight the SMT
you can pick the 16s for this as well by the way but you dont seem to be very happy with those either despite them being just as if not more capable of fighting it
You’re talking about a 1v1 dogfight again which isn’t the majority of engagements
this applies to both 1v1s and normal matches, you can pay attention to multiple planes as well i assume. again, a lot of the kills that people get even on dev are gun kills. and even if, with the 6 radar missiles you can get, you mustve done something very wrong to find yourself in that situation. dont like that? play the 16C and have an easier time getting close to them and kill them that way. the 9L is still a very capable missile, the 7M even moreso, you have a perfectly usable radar and as i mentioned before the airframe on its own is incredible.
if, with all that, you cant manage to kill any SMT then, and i hate saying this but, thats more the pilots fault, not the plane’s.
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You’re argument still relies on the fact that the SMT probably loses a dogfight, the only argument you have is the dogfight, if at 12.3 your only weakness is that you aren’t the best dogfighter that isn’t balanced.
the irony of calling the f-16 “easy to fly” compared to mig ‘just stand on the s key’ 29 is laughable
your issue was the R-73 no? that thing is only really a threat in that circumstance, unless if someones sneaking them in from above or some stuff like that, but its irccm gets easier to counter the further away it is.
and if not, there is no radar missile that is impossible to dodge and if anything id almost say theyre easier to deal with that IR missiles since you can just hug the ground (outside some specific circumstances like for some reason being high up and in a headon so close you cant notch in time) and be done with it
“stand on the s key” is how you get yourself killed in the mig, loses too much speed to do that and funnily enough thats something the 16 excels in instead
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My issue is the R-73 and R-27E together, the fact that the SMT has the advantage in every situation aside from a direct dogfight, and even then dogfighting against an R-73 is very hard as you have to be very patient and take very specific lines in order to avoid the HMD and risk an R-73 launch at a range where it impossible to avoid
right because it totally cant pull 13g at mach 1.2 while the f-16 goes straight
im sorry to say this but the fact youre implying anyone is supposed to fly at that speed to fight someone outside of a bvr or hit and run scenario is… yeah im not even gonna get into that. youll figure that one out yourself eventually
the ER is as easy to avoid as any other radar missile with the exception being that its INS will still hit you if it was a bit too close to you when you got into a notch, just pull up and youre fine. or easier, just hug the ground ig. its only got 2 of them so he doesnt get a lot of tries with that, R-73 is, and ill keep saying it, not hard to survive as long as you pick your fights and flare properly. you dont even need to get close enough to get within the range where it gets a bit more difficult to flare the thing if you dont want to since you can kinda just, run away with the 16C and try again once you got some distance
with that im not saying the ER isnt the best radar missile in the game btw, it very much is, but that doesnt mean it cant be easily dealt with. especially now youll get notified 10 years in advance when one gets launched at you.
the 9L still has more range, the 16C still has the better flight performance. use it to its strengths :p. it still makes for a very good ambushing plane thatll kill just about anything in a close up fight if you just manage to survive the first one or two turns, which isnt difficult
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The ER is objectively the hardest radar missile to avoid, it is much faster than any other radar missile and it can reacquire a target after the lock has been lost.
The MiG-29 outruns the F-16 for one so running away isn’t all that simple, and I’m not saying the R-73 can’t be flared, but inside of 2km it is incredibly difficult and somewhat random and inside 1km it is practically impossible, exactly the ranges that a dogfight happens at.
I’m not saying the SMT is impossible to deal with, I’m saying it has the upper hand in all but one very specific situation, that isn’t balance no matter how you look at it, you can go on and on about how the R-27ER is perfectly avoidable and the R-73 can be flared and it’s range isn’t amazing, but the fact is we’re comparing it to the AIM-7F which is much easier to avoid than the R-27ER and the AIM-9L which is much easier to flare and only has an effective range of maybe 1km more.