If the had 9L’s then they would props limit them with them.
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I mean AIM-9Ls with HMD would be very funni imo.
There is exactly 0 evidence for the Su-27 or the F-15 coming. Hungary however was essentially confirmed to be planned for a future update, so was the Gripen. You tell me which one is off-topic for the R&R thread and which one isn’t. The wish-list topic is somewhere else buddy.
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Honestly it’s weird a purge hasn’t happened is @Smin1080p alive? Is he okay? Do we need to be worried?
Since he is studying maybe he should study the rules better.
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Going off of what the devs have said so far about the Su 27 and the R 73, it’s pretty likely that they will be coming in the major winter update this year.
Have they said anything about the Su-27? If so link please I wanna see
Don’t think so just because a plane got better missiles the Russian mains are on a hype trip atm
Also apologize if I every open up dead convos I don’t mean to I just read from top to bottom and respond where I want to.
I’ll take 4 9Ls over ERs any day.
You could add exclusively 9Ls to Mig-29 and I’d use them over ERs, cause people still aren’t use to a Mig-29 on their tail.
F-16A NETZ with an HMD would be just flat out better.
Sweden already has a SPAA at 10.0 with an arrow & guidance, but it also has a search radar.
Yeah, and 2 - 3 Abrams are 11.3 with identical armor to M1A2, which exceeds every Soviet 11.3’s armor.
And “muh weakspot” is true of all tanks, and the third person perspective as well as aim down barrel is what causes it the most.
Also BVM is the only Soviet tank with gen 3 thermals.
The rest are gen 1 or 2, like Abrams.
With ALL of this said, F-15C is another step of dogfight performance that I’m expecting soon.
And one that Soviets won’t have an answer to until Su-30SM far into the future.
It is. Among the best flight models in the industry, most accurate armor & ammunition characteristics, and will likely improve further.
Next major update we could see superior APCBC simulation to catch up with APCR, APDS, APFSDS, HEF, and HESH.
With AMRAAMs? F-16, F-4F ICE, Tornado with AMRAAMs…
Without AMRAAMS: F-15, potentially Su-27 or Mig-29 with R-73s…
@JohnOverKill
F-15J is the current only F-15 I care about, which is also the one with the highest chance of being added since, it’s F-15C which means it can be added to 3 tech trees at once.
Aim-9Ls & Aim-7F/Ms.
As for Su-27 out-classing F-15… I dunno. Radar & airframe F-15 has it beat. Time will tell.
I don’t use “MSIP” cause I don’t even know what that abbreviation means. Not something I looked into.
One of Britain’s government training agencies also owns a Gripen C or D they use.
Equipped with 9Ls & AMRAAMs to justify a 12.3 BR instead of 11.7 without AMRAAMs.
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Can’t find the link, but on the old forum sometime around Apex Predators devblog season the F-15 and Su 27 were denied until more 4th gen airframes were in the game.
This isn’t confirmation by any means, but I don’t think it’s a stretch that if a few more nations like China and Sweden get their first indigenous modern fighter airframes (J-10a and Ja39) that we could be seeing the current most hyped jets at the end of the year, alongside the R 73s which were denied for the Mig 29 currently.
commander thermals count as well, and 2 still is better what other tanks have
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The MSIP II was the Multi-Stage Improvement Program that made the F-15C an incredibly potent aircraft giving it the AN/APG-70 and AIM-120A. It also gives the aircraft flares/chaff as it realied on an ECM pod previously. Now I wouldn’t be surpises if they retroactively gave the American F-15A flares because the Israelis has flares/chaff on theres. But flight performance isn’t everything. It will have incredible energy but cannot turn with a MiG-29 or F-16A. It’s armorment would again only be (without AIM-120A) be 4x AIM-7M and 4x AIM-9L/M which is still really good especially for that maneuverable of a platform but would still only make it slightly better than the F-14B.
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Yea ever since the new forum Smin have taken a bit of a break a lot.
I don’t want to say this but I think he maybe stepping back from moderation for a bit since we got the new flagging system. But still that’s not our job to go through weeks worth of off topic comments.
Context was MBTs BTW, since all light tanks at that high feature gen 3, but light tanks aren’t swaying matches unless you’re CV90120 or HSTV-L.
But sure.
Chally 2F forward have gen 2 gunner and “commander” [we really need a keybind for thermal sight add-ons].
Leclerc gen 2.
TKX & Type 10 gen 3.
SEP & AIM gen 2.
Germany is shafted until likely 2A7 but it’s possible 2A7 was stuck on gen 1 still, but I’d love to see evidence that it wasn’t.
2A7, T-90M, Ariete 2 [uses the TURMS-T FCS seen on T-72A], I’d love to see.
LAV3/Stryker, more BTR-80s.
@JohnOverKill
TWR of up to 1.6 at mach 1, plus a 12G limit for WT, it’ll be the most maneuverable thing for a hot minute that doesn’t lose as much energy as F-14B or Su-27.
@Deathmisser
I suspect staff is busy collecting as much important stuff from old forum as possible before the dev blogs start.
Ah yea good point as I forgot about that.
The main thing is it’s lower speed performance will be no where near as good as the other 2 and with the MiG-29 I pull 12-14gs when I turn around Mach 1.2 so it would dumpster the F-15 in a turn fight. Plus literally anything can out turn the F-14B in dorito mode lol but wings fill forward the F-14B would dominate a F-15
@AlvisWisla I mean on my F-111 post they did say I should transfer as much as possible because they were going to close the old forum eventually.
Evidence: https://forum.warthunder.com/t/f-111a-b-c-d-e-f-aardvark-discussion/13481
You should probably get to that.
A lot of it is copy-paste if it’s your own, just gotta edit the formatting for the new page.
I am on vacation and will do it soon.
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