Sons of Attila - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion (Part 1)

[oom1992]

@tripod2008

@oom1992

I don’t know A-6E WCSI (Weapons Control System Improvement) different from A-6E TRAM (Target Recognition and Attack Multi-Sensor) & A-6E SWIP (Weapons Control System Improvement) ?

Effectively the only difference between the A-6E WCSI and TRAM as things currently stand would be access to the AGM-123, which is a rocket(AGM-45B motor) assisted GBU-16. Unless they add buddy guidance so another player can guide the standoff AGM-84E, they don’t have the post release control capability, so its just a AGM-65F(both use the -65D’s seeker) with a slightly larger Warhead.

The SWIP further adds capability to carry the AGM-65E & -F, -84 and -88. and provide post release control to the AGM-62 ERDL, AGM-84E

@oom1992

It’s true that dev not add new attack aircraft toptier for USA tech tree for almost 2 years, I hope USA could get new attack aircraft toptier 11.7 or 12.0 better A-7E this year

My issue is that with the F-14B being added, a number of options are now effectively obsolete to a degree since its a much more survivable airframe, with similar or better capabilities, and the slightly lower BR won’t move them out of reach of 11.7~12.0 Fighters. So I no longer really have a sense of what is coming next, or at least in what order things are going to arrive, considering the number of potential options.

Before the F-14B was announced, I would have said the F-111E/-F, the AV-8B(NA), or tech Tree A-6E TRAM counterpart would have been most likely, but i couldn’t now say that we won’t see an F/A-18, F-16C-40 or F-15E / F-16XL as a wildcard.

@oom1992

I got no problem if gaijin consider F-16CG Block 40 under F-16A Block 10 & F-16A Block 15 ADF for USA tech tree this quarter (Q3) or next quarter (Q4) because some look like F-16A Block 20 & F-16AM MLU, at least improved BVR combat in Air RB & Air SB and close air support all-weather in Ground RB & Ground SB

The sequential progression though the blocks is going to be important in order to prevent a similar fate to the F-4E, where capabilities were handed out slowly overtime (and still remain incomplete), when potential blocks some advancement it also allows for things to go as fast as needed to keep up with other additions since there are many options, and delays the appearance of the Multirole variants until there is sufficient airframe diversity to support them as well as allowing the remaining dedicated Strike airframes to see their relevance before things devolve into true missile spam with 10’s of Fox 3’s in the air at any given point in time.

in regards to the F-16’s I think a Block 25 would be likely be a good lead in airframe for US for when the AIM-120, assuming that they don’t go with the AV-8B+, or if they need a slightly higher performance variant the block 30/32 would be next in line, since it can also get better Sidewinders if they are needed.

@oom1992

No problem if any day dev could add AIM-9M on F-16A Block 15, F-16A Block 20 & F-14B and increase battle rating

They probably should have added the -9L to the F-14A (and modeled the AN/ALR-23 IRSTS) and bumped up the BR to 12.0, and added another Attacker in the F-14B’s place.

They could do it with the F-14B but that would be beginning to force a rapid escalation of the capabilities of newly added fighters, which will make things worse overall, or at least without a revision to how IRCCM works in game, since they defeat flares wholesale at least for now.

@oom1992

I’m not sure that first fighter aircraft 12.0 toptier with SARH for Israel Air Force coming to Q3 ?

It probably is but its to early to know if its an F-15 or F-16 variant at this point, or if it’s even planned to be accompanied simultaneously by its counterparts in other nation’s trees, or otherwise matched in some way. and its probably going to be expediated since there is a pressing need due to the -2000 losing its AIM-7’s, though why the removal was coupled to the new airframes release will probably never make sense.

But I think F-16C Block 30 & F-16CG Block 40 better F-16C Block 25, at least fitted with General Electric F110-GE-100 engine, carry targeting pod, and for F-16C Block 40 carry laser guided bomb & addition of cockpit lighting systems compatible with Aviator’s Night Vision Imaging System (ANVIS). F-16C Block 25 might seem like F-16A Block 20 from ROCAF in china tech tree now

I guess attack aircraft 11.7 in rank VIII for USA tech tree might AV-8B (NA), and attack aircraft 12.0 & 12.3 maybe A-6E WCSI, A-6E SWIP & AV-8B+ early

F-111F Aardvark good new aircraft toptier CAS at bomber line under F-105D but without AIM-9

Now Kurnass 2000 good air-to-ground armament but losing AIM-7. Personally, I think first fighter aircraft 12.0 carry SARH only maybe F-15A Baz

@samm17_

@tripod2008

It probably is but its to early to know if its an F-15 or F-16 variant at this point

I’d bet money they are going to add the F-15A (Baz for Israel) and SU-27S first since they can only carry SARH missiles, rather than the F16C Barak (bl. 30) which can carry ARH missiles.

Personlly, I think F-15A Baz similar to Su-27S/Su-27SK Flanker B, pre-MSIP F-15J/F-15C Eagle & Shenyang J-11 basic & J-11A because no AIM-7M Sparrow & no modern IR AAM maneuvering capability 50G+

I don’t worry if any day dev consider F-16C Block 30 Barak without early ARH BVRAAM, at least equipped LANTIRN AN/AAQ-19 Sharpshooter targeting pod better AN/AVQ-23 Pave Spike & Air-to-Ground like Kurnass 2000

I guess early fighter aircraft which carry medium-range ARH BVRAAM maybe IAI Kfir 2000 or Boeing F-15I Ra’am

[MonkeyBussiness]

???

[Motherhen357-psn]

They might be talking abt the " D RMV " version, rather than the currently available " D-R1". The textures for a gunpod used by the former( alongside MICA ) was discovered in the files not too long ago.

[I_Phobos_I]

mica ir model 2+ years ( Warfare 2077 event )

[Motherhen357-psn]

I don’t recall MICA making an appearance in 2077, and if it did it hasn’t remained in the CDK like the faux-Spike 's have.

There was a " leak " around Apex Predators -time which purported to have found MICA, but idr if it was decided to be credible or not.

[MrWeyland]

May im wrong with what i’m seeing, or its missing almost 33% of its climb rate, o i thought there was a diferent variant of D fully upgrade shouldn’t be like 285ms rate climb but this one spaded gets only 195ms?

[oom1992]

I was secretly hoping dev consider ECM pod on 3rd gen & 4th gen aircraft, and new mechanics Electronic warfare (EW) Q3 & Q4 this year

[Bonrath]

I’m just hoping for more gen 3 aircraft at this point. It’ll bring a lot to variety and stop the mad rush towards the most modern jets which kinda ruins the meta and balance of the game

[RytisLTU1]

@samm17_

I heard new pilot models are coming soon

Where you saw that?

[PilotPug010-live]

Now that we are talking about Mirage 2000’s, was there ever a D that could carry Fox 1 or Fox 3 missiles?

[ACOMETS]

@Smin1080p
any news on updated model on AH-1Z

[MonkeyBussiness]

there is no variant of the “D” with a better engine and yes the 2000D RMV can carry MICA

[PilotPug010-live]

Nice.
MICA IR or MICA RF?

[oom1992]

@MonkeyBussiness

there is no variant of the “D” with a better engine and yes the 2000D RMV can carry MICA

@El_Bananito

Nice.
MICA IR or MICA RF?

Mirage 2000D RMV carry modern IR AAM MICA IR only

I guess dev might consider MICA IR 2024 or Q3 2025 with Dassault Rafale F2

[MonkeyBussiness]

you forget that we already have a variant of the mirage that can carry it (2000 5F) and they are preparing the terrain for fox 3 (what they mention in the J-8F devblog)

[oom1992]

Ahhhh I wonder MICA IR it’s no active radar homing BVRAAM ?

[Slickshotz]

Will France get a 12.0 rank righter in this next update? It’s top tier jets get slapped in air RB

[MonkeyBussiness]

nope RF/EM is the fox3 variant

[MonkeyBussiness]

it will get fox 3 missile later with others nations

[Slickshotz]

Will it still only be able to carry 4 missles though?