missed that it can carry 6 missiles. my bad. Though based upon what others have said, its 4+2 and that is accurate to IRL
Given you have F-16s and the Gripen with 6x IRCCM at the same BR with better FMs, the question becomes whether or not the 2x PL-12s close the gap or push it higher
Yep, which is what I thought
It matches their perfromance since the two plane you mentioned also got fuckload of countermeasures while J-8F only have 84, that alone strategically balances the PL-12 Addition when you factor in J-8F not so great FM for it’s BR (the plane is fine, it’s the delta wing).
Prove J-8F could carry x4 PL12s then.
It would, but BOL is currently 1/4 the strength of a regular CM. Meaning 320 BOL translates roughly to 80 regular CMs.
So whilst its still more than the J-8F, its not that much more.
(F3 Late 32L + 80, Viggen DI 40L + 80 and FA2 60+80)
PL-12 on 2 additional hardpoints is entirely a historical thing and not a balancing thing
I refer to giving the plane PL-8B. not 4 PL-12 considering sources from china says it can only carry 2
80 plus their own 60. 140. still a fuckload compared to 84 and F-16C 120
In the FA2s case with 60 standard + 320 BOL (so roughly 80), it is also a sub-sonic, with less missiles than J-8F and doesnt even have a gun without sacrificing missile count, so in this regard, the FA2 is still by far the weakest ARH slinger at 13.0 (maybe even the weakest aircraft overall actually, atleast with the fake nerfs)
Viggen DI has 40 large and 320 BOL (so roughly 80 in reality) but has one of the weakest RWRs at the BR (maybe actually the weakest)
F3 Late has few weaknesses other than a bit of a bus of an FM (probably the weakest overall FM at that BR) but as already discussed, should be higher if BOL had their correct performance. (Phimat is also needed)
I agree that PL-8B could very well be considered for the J-8F for its BR, but Id not fixate of CM count for this.
There’s no evidence of J-8F with 6x PL-12s otherwise they would’ve been added already.
J-8F to 13.7 with 6x PL-12s would be interesting if possible.
Like a J-10A but worse in every way?
Only way to make an interesting J-8 in this environment would be to add the J-8H at a much lower BR with PL-8+PL-11s
(which is probably what should have been added in the first place)
Sounds like the perfect Premium :D
Tier 8 premium at 11.7
The J-8F has a time to climb equal to the F-15s.
The J-8F with 6x PL-12s would be superior to the F-16C in BVR, which itself is 13.7.
then crank the goddamn BR, why should it not be at 13.7 if it can be better than F-16C with extra 4 PL-12? although In my best opinion, considering current CN source limit it to 2 PL-12,changing the PL-8 to PL-8B is the best option for it to stay competitive while staying at 13.0
PL-8B with that climb rate and good enough sustained turn rate? Nah. I feel PL-8s are good enough for 13.0, especially if and when Gaijin move up the OP 13.0s, and the 13.3s - 14.0s.
Gonna make a ton of posts regarding that next BR change if they haven’t by then.
I don’t think J-8B is much of an improvement in MiG-21 Airframe that makes it eliminate it’s issue of delta wing energy bleed that warrants 13.3 or 13.7, beside the PL-8 is enough argument is kinda dumb when it comes to the fact that J-37Di, another non irccm carrier at that BR has 2 more ARH than J-8F so it adds guaranteed kill tool to 4 instead of 2 kill pencil and 4 missile shaped dice throw.
and Aim-9M has multiple forms of IRCCM too
To put it in perspective, the PL-8B and PL-5E II should have similar IRCCM capabilities as found on the TY-90 iirc, we all know that the TY-90 is a absolute beast of a IR missile. It’s more of a fact that the PL-8B has superior flare rejection capabilities when compared to the AIM-9M.
The current in-game PL-8B and PL-5E II however has the same copy and paste IRCCM as found on the R-73, would’ve been best if it had the shut-off IRCCM in my opinion.
With how the current PL-8B is implemented, it would hardly be considered overpowered if fitted onto the J-8F at its BR. The standard PL-8 itself is a ageing missile and most counterparts either have more missile to carry or superior missiles (like the R-73 and AIM-9M).
Give the J-8F its MAWS and PL-8Bs with the PL-5E II as a secondary option and it should be fine, it’s also lacking the PL-11 (Aspide) so that’s something which is also missing - if all of these are to be implemented then I have no issue with this aircraft remaining at 13.0 or possibly moving to 13.3 (on the extreme end).
Forgot to mention that it’s also lacking the LS-6 glide bomb, would be a funny addition
Can u just note the conditions again?
Also just to say PL12s are considerably worse if u were to throw them from high alt.
I don’t know if this is only visual or not, but PL-12 seems to wobble a ton after the motor turns off, even more than other Fox 3 missiles like AIM-120 or R-77. I’m not sure if this wobbling would affect performance because it doesn’t seem to be intentional.
I’ve seen them do 90 degree wobbles when fired upwards, also this seem to lead to it eating chaff, I seem to see when it swings towards the tail of the aircraft and staying there as it locks onto chaff.
