Ironic considering they were both 13.3 on release
From what I remember of the discussions when it was added, Chinese sources were adamant only pylons 2 and 5 had the wiring for controlling radar missiles (and only radar missiles).
It’s missing MAWS apparently (sensors visible on the vertical stabiliser), PL-8Bs are an option I guess. It’s just one of those planes stuck in uncompetitive limbo as long as it’s in range of getting clubbed consistently by Gen 4 planes.
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ICE moved down because it was Germanys top tier. F3 Late moved down because the ICE moved down. Both though were pretty screwed in any sort of uptier and that was before the 14.0s were added. Especially the F3 Late and the fake nerfs and other issues it has to deal with.
With the right fixes the F3 Late could be quite happily at 13.3 again though. BOL flares are a fraction of the performance they should be and BOL Chaff is 1/4 the strength it should be. With BOL fixed alone, the F3 Late could actually manage at 13.3. Add on 1-2 Phimat pods for 216 large chaff each and it would be solid.
Throw in Aim-120C5s as well and it could even move to 13.7
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Afaik, J-8F is restricted to x2 PL-12 in the real life as well.
The only buff that could be done to J-8F at this time would be to give PL-8B, which makes 13.3.
Are PL-8Bs that much superior to any other IRCCM?
If you mean irl, yes. It has both IRCCMs.
and Aim-9M has multiple forms of IRCCM too
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/3jdZd8ZGSdlK
but in game, if its comprable to any other IRCCM then I dont really think it would warrant a BR increase. I dont recall the J-8F being all that special in terms of FM and 2+2 is hardly a powerful A2A fit.
It uses FOV IRCCM, it’s the same as R-73/Magic 2
The question would be if HMS+PL-8B is too much at it’s BR, I can’t answer that.
*2+4
missed that it can carry 6 missiles. my bad. Though based upon what others have said, its 4+2 and that is accurate to IRL
Given you have F-16s and the Gripen with 6x IRCCM at the same BR with better FMs, the question becomes whether or not the 2x PL-12s close the gap or push it higher
Yep, which is what I thought
It matches their perfromance since the two plane you mentioned also got fuckload of countermeasures while J-8F only have 84, that alone strategically balances the PL-12 Addition when you factor in J-8F not so great FM for it’s BR (the plane is fine, it’s the delta wing).
Prove J-8F could carry x4 PL12s then.
It would, but BOL is currently 1/4 the strength of a regular CM. Meaning 320 BOL translates roughly to 80 regular CMs.
So whilst its still more than the J-8F, its not that much more.
(F3 Late 32L + 80, Viggen DI 40L + 80 and FA2 60+80)
PL-12 on 2 additional hardpoints is entirely a historical thing and not a balancing thing
I refer to giving the plane PL-8B. not 4 PL-12 considering sources from china says it can only carry 2
80 plus their own 60. 140. still a fuckload compared to 84 and F-16C 120
In the FA2s case with 60 standard + 320 BOL (so roughly 80), it is also a sub-sonic, with less missiles than J-8F and doesnt even have a gun without sacrificing missile count, so in this regard, the FA2 is still by far the weakest ARH slinger at 13.0 (maybe even the weakest aircraft overall actually, atleast with the fake nerfs)
Viggen DI has 40 large and 320 BOL (so roughly 80 in reality) but has one of the weakest RWRs at the BR (maybe actually the weakest)
F3 Late has few weaknesses other than a bit of a bus of an FM (probably the weakest overall FM at that BR) but as already discussed, should be higher if BOL had their correct performance. (Phimat is also needed)
I agree that PL-8B could very well be considered for the J-8F for its BR, but Id not fixate of CM count for this.
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There’s no evidence of J-8F with 6x PL-12s otherwise they would’ve been added already.
J-8F to 13.7 with 6x PL-12s would be interesting if possible.
Like a J-10A but worse in every way?
Only way to make an interesting J-8 in this environment would be to add the J-8H at a much lower BR with PL-8+PL-11s
(which is probably what should have been added in the first place)
Sounds like the perfect Premium :D
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Tier 8 premium at 11.7
