This feature already exists for TanSAM Kai. But unlike Tan, that has to launch its ARH missiles in mad dog, Land Ceptor will be able to provide DL to the target. Will be limited to only one at a time, but it is better than being dead.
I’m definitely going to snipe that tower of a radar across the map :)
Tbh the mad dog barely works, they just fly in place or hit the terrain most of the time, had one literally self detonate instead of tracking a plane flying at me 3km away
So… now that the Giraffe AMB radar is in the game, could the Swedish EldE 98 perhaps be converted into a MVSS with UndE 23 (Swedish name for the SAAB Giraffe AMB) and two EldE 98 launchers (the real ones and not the prototype we currently have in game with the radar on top) ?
Edit:
If not then i’m hoping that the UndE 23 together with two RBS (Robotsystem) 23 comes relatively soon.
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is it going to be functional even without the Radar vehicle?
iirc, the suggestion post linked a video/source that showed it to be operatable solely via the sight as well (since the launcher gives the guidance commands).
Edit, i was wrong, correction below
Well mechanically in-game when the radar vehicle gets destroyed all systems count as destroyed, i would imagine that this would be the case for all MVSS regardless if the launchers can operate independently or not.
They might be, we’ll have to wait for confirmation from Community Managers :)
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the japanese tanSAM isnt subject to this though
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Oh, yeah you’re right, i was mistaken. I’ll edit my post above. :)
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It should be (Land Ceptor is the name of Launcher, while Sky Sabre system as a whole)
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Two issues here. First is that the UK neither uses nor plans to acquire the CAMM-ER, it is an Italian missile used by the Italian army, air force, and soon also by the Polish army, navy and air force.
The second thing is that the iLauncher’s model is wrong - it uses the CAMM missile rack with CAMM-ER missiles. You can see below how the CAMM-ER missile rack should look like vs how one for the CAMM missiles does.
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GB can’t stop winning.
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In terms of game-convention, its still the iLauncher for both so its still perfectly feasible and will therefore be added to the game for both, Italy (and other nations) benefit from this same convention (e.g Italian Tornado uses the SuperTEMP SKYFLASH). The second part of this in terms of ‘plans’ to acquire CAMM-ER, CAMM-ER will be acquired as part of a larger buy for the RN and British Army in the near future supposedly MBDA and the UK are in final stage talks to approve this, and it’s been on marketting brochures for the T26 and T31’s integrated air defence for 5 years.
CAMM is a British Missile, but CAMM-ER is a joint venture between Italy and the UK, with the booster being provided by Avio and the new launcher by MBDA ITA (but the ejection mechanism is from the original CAMM), the missile body redesign and strakes are MBDA UK, the warhead, seeker, actuators, INS, datalink and fins retain their MBDA UK origin also.
I believe you’re correct here.
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Yes, you’re right in that it’s a JV development. What I meant by it being Italian is that its development was requested by Italy and the British government or armed forces have nothing to do with it.
As far as I know there are no plans for either RN or the British Army to acquire the CAMM-ER. They might be interested in the CAMM-MR variant, but I haven’t seen any sources talk about the plans to buy the CAMM-ER. As for the marketing regarding the T26 and T31, it’s likely just that, marketing. I mean, the Arrowhead 140PL are to be equipped with CAMM-ER, but that’s it as far as I know, at least when it comes to AH140 family.
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CAMM-MR would probably also require a new, longer range, radar to make the most of the missiles performance so I would put my money on the UK acquiring CAMM-ER instead as it requires effectively no change to the Sky Sabre’s already in service. Its also a non-issue that the UK doesn’t currently use it as Gaijin has made it clear that if weapons are technically compatible then they’re more than happy to add them.
Yeah that’s fair enough, the British do finance all developments of CAMM through their CAMM-upgrade and development programme so some limited British finances will have been used on CAMM-ER, though as even MBDA say Italy primarily derived the requirement as a replacement for Albatross and ASPIDE.
On the note of this one, the Royal Navy’s latest ‘layered air defence’ concept includes CAMM, CAMM-ER, CAMM-MR and ASTER 30 so they certainly intend to purchase it I would think, this is coming from the RN as opposed to BAE or Babcock. You’re right that much of it is marketing but that would also showcase the behind-the-scenes discussions.
This is from ThinkDefence and the anecdotal evidence references a tweet made by 16 Regiment Royal Artillery which said the British army was looking at options to extend the range in both the intermediary and medium range classes.
I’d probably assume the UK intends to purchase it but you’re right it isn’t confirmed just yet. Leaks also show interest as I’ve mentioned.
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The UK would probably only use CAMM-MR on mainland UK batteries as part of the JORN Anti-ballistic-missile radars we intend to purchase from the Australians.
It could also potentially be used on warships as an ASTER-30 alternative, though I expect the PoK against manoeuvring targets to be lower, and for pure range the Franco-British alternative to SM-6 (RJ-15) would be best.
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, I only watched the zenturion dev stream summary video, but I feel like GB has been shafted again:
Out of the 3 new AAs, CAMM ER is the slowest, 1550 m/s Buk, 1500 Aster, 1028 CAMM ER, thats 2/3 the speed,
additionally its the lowest range - I know everything is in range but longer range missiles will have more energy at distance, especially considering the speed difference above.
But my main concern is the launch method and warhead, the CAMM ER has the smallest warhead, and it also cold launches (gets pushed out, turns to its target and only then activates its motor). Firstly, the cold launch further reduces the range (and energy at distance) by forcing the missile to go through thicker air, but as if that wasnt enough the missiles are all ARH.
By cold launching AND having the smallest warhead, sky sabre is going to be easiest to defeat via multipath (coming horizontally rather than firing upward and coming down and not having enough TNT for splash damage), whereas Buk has a massive warhead and might be able to splash upward, and Aster launches upward, at least at closer ranges it’ll be attacking top-down, having a higher chance of negating multipath.
So it’s the slowest missile, shortest range, easiest to kinematically defeat as it doesnt go up to high altitude thin air, easiest to multipath and defeat with terrain thanks to its flight profile and having the smallest warhead out of all 3.
If I’ve gotten something wrong please tell as I’d very much like to regain hope.
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True, CAMM-MR is likely to have longer range than the Giraffe radar variant used in the Land Ceptor (stated as “over 100 km”, but from my calculations it seems possible to achieve up to 150-170 km). And as for the game you’re right here, I see.
I think you’re right on this, I remember asking some people on the British side of Twitter, some that can be considered as sources on the topic, and they said more less the same thing as above - there are no official announcements on this, but there are different options under consideration.
I don’t think CAMM-MR would be a good ABM missile, as at least from the Polish side it’s supposed to be the low cost missile for our MRAD, complementing the PAC-3 MSE, kind of a PAC-2 GEM-T equivalent. So no attitude control thrusters like in the PAC-3 MSE or the Asters, and thus no extreme maneuverability.
Idk how it works in the game, but irl both CAMM variants should launch more upwards if the target is far enough, and then fly to the target from above:
What cold launch should allow for is extremely low minimum engagement distance compared to hot launch systems, as the missile is already directed towards the target when the motor is ignited. So if CAMMs fly straight towards the target regardless the range in the game, that should be fixed.
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Thanks for the info, while its reassuring to know that at least the range shouldn’t be gimped, the rest of the issues remain.
Also, I say shouldn’t because in the trailer for sky sabre in its dev blog you can see the missile doesn’t go up like you said, maybe they were firing it at a low target (i hope)
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Probably underperforming
Kinematically yes, but I think the radars limit the others.being added this major. So long as we can engage out to 30km, I’m not too worried
Shouldn’t be
Gunna argue MP removal from the SAMs
Might be reportable and tweaked
I’m not worried. Nothing can be worse than Rapier
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