SA-2 Guideline
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Its not entirely gone, i’ve seen people still get past them. I have no clue how but i swear , some of them will go to hell and back for 100 score.
The thing I saw occurring was an A-10C using glide bombs, but not many aircraft get them, or get as may of them.
Nor was the team really working as a team
Imo the SPAA for each bracket should be:
1.0-3.0 - Vickers AA / Sdkfz 6/2
3.3-5.0 - Ostwind II / M19 + Skink
5.3 - 7.0 - Kugelblitz / M42
7.3 - 9.0 - M163 + FIM-43 Redeye / ZSU-23-2 mount + Strela-2
9.3 - 11.0 - 40mm Bofors HE-VT + Roland + 1x MIM-23A HAWK (10km engagement Range) / 57mm S-60 HE-VT + 9A33 Osa + S-75
11.3-13.0 - Phalanx CIWS + MIM-23M (10km engagement Range) / Pantsir-S1 (10km engagement Range)
13.3 - 15.0 - Phalanx CIWS + MIM-104A Patriot (10km engagement Range) / Pantsir-S1 + S-300 5V55KD (10km engagement Range)
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I play SIM EC almost exclusively now, most of the time as attackers, and have to say that apart from a handful of cases where I experimented with SEAD, I never attacked airbases - and I do very well.
Saying changing airbase defenses is making attackers/bombers obsolete in Sim EC is not correct or at the very least an oversimplification (as discussed at length in the other ItO thread…).
Sure, the argument will be dropped that some maps will make also ‘normal’ mission target bombing near impossible for some aircraft because of proximity to airbases and thus mission targets/bases within airbase AD bubbles…
But then, hey, it’s SIM EC: You can chose what map you play with what vehicle at what BR, so simply do not select such cases!
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I do like this suggestion.
But, I feel like this would be better:
1.0-3.0 - Vickers AA / Sdkfz 6/2
3.3-5.0 - Ostwind II / M19 + Skink
5.3 - 7.3 - Kugelblitz / M42
7.7 - 9.3 - M163 + FIM-43 Redeye / ZSU-37-2 + Strela-2
9.7 - 11.7 - 40mm Bofors HE-VT + Roland + 1x MIM-23A HAWK (8KM engagement Range) / 57mm S-60 HE-VT + 9A33 Osa + S-75
12.0 - 13.3 - Phalanx CIWS + MIM-23M (10km engagement Range) / Pantsir-S1 (10km engagement Range)
13.7+ - Phalanx CIWS + MIM-104A Patriot (12km engagement Range) / Pantsir-S1 + S-300 5V55KD (12km engagement Range)
Your thoughts? / May I add this to the original message?
They just killed my favorite br. 10.7 - 11.7 aka where alot of us had those expensive premiums, or event planes.
Sure I can ground strike in my av-b na, and steal targets from poor a-10s.
Bombers as a pretty big whole need to rely on their equipment ALOT more and as buggy as sim already is, this change of spaa isn’t all that helpful.
They should’ve focused on fixing maps, convoys, etc.
And like you said those bases near AFs are significantly harder to hit.
They could’ve also added larger bases specifically for long range bombers.
A-10C can carry alot of glide bombs apparently which I think is the earliest aircraft with them
Nah the 37s are way too strong
Other than that it seems fine, it’s just minor changes
It’s more equal than a zsu-23-2 vs a m163… but you seemingly named a lot of exposed Soviet gun systems, my only worry would be that a decent miss will still land a kill, where as with an M-163 it may still come out alive.
Also, for 12.0 - 13.3 would it be better for a 2s6 / Buk M2 instead?
Don’t mind the A-10’s that (mis)use their tank busters to attack bases: They have enough to do with ground battles and to some extend convoys…
Ground strike = attacking bases?
I was using 10x jdam destroying half a ground assault in one pass. Then I carry 2x Aim 9L and hunt. Then land and repeat.
Mind you the Pantsir’s engagement range is 20 km.
Also, the land equivalent of CIWS is C-RAM. Unless you plan to park a suitable ship next to every airfield
And for the life of me MIM-104A’s engagement range is much larger than “12 km”, it’s at 70 km. For the “equivalent” S-300 it’s 90 km. You can’t artificially nerf SPAA/SAM systems in this manner without backlash (even if they are AI-controlled to start, which imo would be worse), or did you think the ItO’s engagement range was just guesswork?
Then what would you sub in ? In the field of those ranges I specified.
I just said Buk m-2 may be better with 2s6 > pansir
Well A-10C at 11.7 is in a strange position indeed. I gave up on them, as I almost never got a match where another A-10 already cleared out all or most ground battle targets in on e or two passes, especially with te SDB or a SDB/JDAM mix. But that’s complete ly irrelevant for the question here about airbase defense SAM’s…
But again, and that’s my key point: Chose the BR and map that fit your desired vehicle best! And play an appropriate role for your desired vehicle.
For me, A-10A’s are some of the most flown aircraft in sim, because I enjoy going against ground battles in them, especially on Denmark and also Sinai.
So much effort for so little score. Whereas like two Mavericks at ground targets in the middle of the map would get them more than that…
Definitely not
the 37s far outrange and the 20mm and do a lot more damage
doesnt matter really
Honestly, I’d like to see more dedicated SAMs in the game, not just from ground battles.
For blurfor side…
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MIM-23 Hawk
Technically, We already have MIM-23 as A2A missiles for Iranian F-14A. -
MIM-104 Patriot(PAC-1)
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Roland 1
Not need to explain about that…
For redfor side…
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S-75/SA-2 Guideline
We already have in the game tho -
S-125/SA-3 Goa
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2K12/SA-6 Gainful
Those vehicles would open the door of adding ECM stuffs for aircrafts.
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I skipped SA-4 cuz range is better even to the longer-range SA-2.