anyone else think Merica needs a buff?. Every weapon they have was made in the previous century.
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USA already has such weapons.
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Or even late 90s. Like AGM-88 HARM or AGM-114L.
Yeah… The handicaps on a lot of NATO aircraft when it comes to CAS is kinda annoying.
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tbf I can understand gaijin’s apprehension towards buffing CAS, the KH-38 has already shown how strong modern CAS options can get (and was a mistake that should be removed). Having an Apache pop over a hill, salvo half a dozen Lima hellfires and then duck behind a mountain again would be even more cancer to play against.
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True… Though arguably they opened that can of worms when they added spike armed helis. Now they’ve commited to it, they should add FnF missiles to all nations. Even if they dont model the mmV for a while and have it basically be a hellfire with a spike seeker. It would at least give nations like the US and Britain parity to other spike nations (and on the grounds of fairness. An appropriate option for the soviets as well)
(heck Israels AH-60 already has 16x Spikes, so its not even like the AH-64D/E would be any more powerful)
But I get why a lot of NATO nations, especially the US are pissed. US and Britain have been stuck with a SAM system that can barely counter things like the KA-52 with Vikhrs. It really doesnt stand much chance against anything even slightly stronger and yet, a nation like the soviets. Has the Pantsir which can reasonably counter most jets or at least be considered a threat to most jets and the KH-38 which as you said, should never have been added.
So I think its time to creep the NATO tech forward a little. Even if thats just some fairly minor buffs here or there. Like maybe adding a hellfire with 10-12km range up from 8km (but still laser guided). Or as I said, a nerfed but ultimately FnF hellfire (with or without range increase) or for Britain, something like Brimstone (Again with basically an IIR seeker from an AGM-65 to avoid mmV for now).
Heck, even maybe just Sniper Tpods for a lot of aircraft (like for Britain, replace the Gen 1 TIALD on something like the Harrier Gr7)
Also, it would be nice to just get some new tools. Even if they werent all that great. just to spice things up a little. Like HARM, CBUs, etc
As an honourable mention, maybe also just fix some basic NATO gear. like the fact Hellfires IOG barely works, its missing LOAL and its missing different flight paths. Its not alone in having way too many issues that nerf it greatly from IRL levels
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Yeah I definitely agree there should be some tweaking and new additions, though it would be hard to do without breaking the “realism” rules (though gaijin has always been lax on them). I’m not sure how a nerfed FnF Hellfire would work though, since the reason they’re so deadly is they ignore smoke due to the radar seeker. New Tpods and CBUs are definitely welcome though, but I still feel HARMs would be too much, since while they’d counter the Pantsir, they’d also counter all of the worse SPAA. It seems to me like Gaijin is starting to dig themselves into a corner, since as stuff gets more modern, it gets harder to implement it without it being unfair/unfun to play against.
I would literally propose taking a Hellfire, and giving them C&P code from a Spike with a great big giant disclaimer, that mmV wont be modeled for now, but will be in the future. I know people would hate that, but given the alternative… Id take a compromise over nothing
I personally just want them for SEAD Gameplay in ASB. But unfortunately. The Pantsir, which can operate just fine with radar turned off. Would probably be the least affected/countered and ironically. The ADATS would be the worst affected.
But in any case. I think they could be interesting to have if nothing else.
Yup…
They have to compromise somewhere. Their total refusal to add anything on parity to the soviets “because no other nation built anything similar” is actually driving me nuts a little. Especially when things like the SLAMRAAM HUMVEE or the Supacat HVM are sat right there. Just starring at them
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I feel like given their overall balancing the current weapons in game are decent enough.
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Pre- KH-38. I would agree.
NATO had better CAS but a lot worse SPAA
Soviets had better SPAA but a lot worse CAS
ADATS could counter a Su-39 with KH-29s/Vikhrs and a Pantsir could counter a Tornado or F-16 or Harrier with AGM-65.
All in balance…
Now…
ADATS cant fight a Su-25SM3 with KH-38s. Nothing really can, except maybe the Pantsir.
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They mean in this performance bracket because USA goes from ADATS to AIM-9X/AMRAAM on the slamraam and thats not really fair either
We already have Aim-120A and B and im sure they can hook up an Aim9M to the humvee and add that thing immediately
thats a good point, I forgot about the su39 tbh. Maybe we will see some more advanced stuff, I know that could be quite nice to see… though I also feel like the trend of longer ranged weaponry (Especially in GRB for CAS or air defense) is a troubling trend of one nation just utterly stomping all others.
Considering how nerfed AMRAAM already is and the fact that Im doubting Aim-9X or ASRAAM or IRIS-T will actually be all that hard to defeat in game. I dont think that gap is quite as large as you’d think it would be. Especially if the HUMVEE or Supacat HVM were limited to IRST or really poor radar or something instead of what they would normally have which is I think a dedicated external radar
Doesnt really need to be longer ranged. Just… better
Like AH-64Es with 16x Hellfires with 8km range and FnF (not even necessarily mmVs) that gives US and Britain a FnF heli on par with something like the AH-60 with 16x Spikes.
Or buffs to Tpods, give Gen 3+ tpods out instead of new weapons
heck, even things like CBUs. The ability to saturate an area with bomblets means that you dont have to be as accurate. Something like a Tornado ASSTA1 (a rather weak top tier CAS) could streak in and deploy MW-1 and be out again before the Pantsir could react.
But even just bug fixes, like getting hellfires modeled right, could make such a difference
Yeah thats fair. I would definitely like to see clusters added at some point… and hellfires getting fixed would be quite nice
Yup. Now dont get me wrong, I really want this in game:
But I respect the… implications of it and why it might not be able to yet
(though I really want them to explore the idea of locking weapons out of ground modes, but allowing them in Air modes. So this could be added and its no balancing concern, or give them a crazy high SP cost or something)
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Neither Pantsir-S1, the missile launching* range is the double of the maximum missile range and about 2.3x of the guarantee range. So no, not a SPAA can counter Su-25SM3,
Although, it only works for firing in such distances in open maps, which is not common, as Gaijin forces the players into closed urban maps.
*correction
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Oh yknow I never did consider that idea, making some weapons GRB specific. Or maybe they could lock them to a BR or something.
Though at those ranges the KH-38 is firing at a point on the ground and not the target right? So if it moves, it misses?
For tracking a moving target, you would need to be a lot closer, Based upon experience in the Harrier Gr7, that can be as close as 12km (even closer on poor weather maps)
If I’m not wrong it still moves towards a moving target. Isn’t like GPS* bombs that go to a specific point.
And yes you can consider weather.
*correction