Should the mirage F1C loose its magic 2 in order to go to 11.3

MiG-23 and J-7E will just outrate it.

F.1 can pull hatd at low speed but it becomes a bit of a bus at lower speeds.

Lovely AOA but not much retention below compressing speeds.

I am willing to try it out with you.

Though running wont count as a victory.

You can outrun some high tier aircraft in 9.7 planes but that wont change their efficiency in air to air.

Mig 23 wont out rate it.

They have the huge issue of choosing speed or rate.

Cant really do both anymore.

J7E OUT RATES BUT CANT OUT PACE.

Please read what im saying…

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I must be Nostradamus, I predicted the future.

You are wrong about MiG-23.

It is not about reading comprehension it is me laughing about the idea you seemingly have that running away in F.1 will net you kills.

Sorry what? The f1 has fantastic refention at any speed if you are aware not to just slam the elevators.

Hell its a better F8E seeihg ss it irl was inspired by the F8E.

As well as this it does not become a bus at lower speeds at all, bar below 400 kmph and if you are that slow you’ve played it wrong

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Not true.

Or rather you might sustain your speed but you are below ideal speed for fighting.

F.1 is not very efficient that slow.

To be fair, if you’re that slow, the target’s probably far worse off. Generally takes dodgy play on both parties to get into that situation.

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You genuinely dont understand what you’re talking about

The f1 is one of my most used planes mate.

The mig23 can either choose to sweep its wings and it ill catch a mirage, however it also bleeds an astronomical amount of speed as it essentially turns it into a delta.

Or it can sweep its wings out, and mot be able to keep up with the mirage.

you seem unable to grasp the importance of being able to control the engagement

Ive spaded the mig23M and MLD both are significantly worse to fly than the mirage F1

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You’ve either fully commited and both parties are slabs as you say , or you fked up.

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What are you on about man😂😂 how slow?

Its the easiest plane to keep above mach 0.85 in almost any situation. At its br

In that situation F.1 would be so slow I could hit it with Mk-108.

No you aren’t ar all

Want to try some 1v1?
Perhaps you will teach me a lesson hm?

In what situation ? Do you actually know how to energy fight ?

Like how to lead a target in big ol loop basically pulling sway the entire time bleeding then of energy ? I cant dumb this down any further for you

Thats your response?

You lose the argument and go 1v1 me

I can keep up with an F1 with a mig 23 if I’m controlling the wing sweep throughout the engagement, but it isn’t particularly pleasant and it’s very easy to get third partied. Though I would also note, mig 23 has arguments that can be made for it really belonging at 12.0, hindered mainly be compression of the BR system though

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I think you will find I somewhat know what to do.

The response is that you overestimate the F.1 at low speeds.

Especially in comparison to other aircraft.

Mld yeah should be 12.0 as well

Well, I owe you an apology. I was mistaken about the similarity between the F1C and the F1C 200. They are actually the exact same aircraft (the boom can be mounted or removed, which causes the size difference). It is therefore normal to have the same armament on both aircraft.

Regarding missile operational durations, the Mirage F1C had Magic 1s for 10 years, then Magic 2s for the next 10 years before being retired from service. To say that it only had the Magic 2 for a small part of its service is therefore false.

For the aircraft you want, I would suggest an early Mirage F1C with Magic 1s and R530s. I will do a suggestion next week

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