Still think it would be woefully underpowered vs a Mig-23 or F-4E, let alone the fact it would still face 12.0 and 12.3s like the F3 and F-18 but now without its main defence. Yeah, its rough for it in a full uptier at 12.0, but just sounds like a weaker Tornado IDS at 11.3
Havent flown the aircraft but have played against it and the FM isnt great. Players are too keen to rey and turn and not keep their speed up.
Removing Magic 2 and dropping it’s BR puts it in the range of aircraft with 8 missiles.
and 6 on the MiG 23 which has all/semi aspect R-60M/R60MK
The real issue is the F/A-18C and the F-16 BRs are too low.
13.0 drop down and take over the game.
I would support it. And I’d perhaps go a step further than that even. Remove both the Magic 2 and Super 530F in exchange for putting it a whole Br lower. Those who wish to use the 530F and Magic 2 can use the F1CT instead - giving it an actual purpose ingame
the 530F are equivalent to the others 11.0 fox 1, letting the mirage F1C keeps them would be fine
Fair enough. Was just thinking that the F1C-200 should retain them instead
absolutelyn the FIC200 and the F1CT should not loose the magic 2, I m just asking for the F1C, thus allowing it to have its own identity and to allow the french tt to get a decent fighter at 11.0 11.3 br. Especially now that they are working on a 11.0 line up
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what are you all smoking, the f1c has good flight performance for 11.3, we must play very differently because you can energy fight with most 12.0’s and get some firing solutions in there if you take good lines. Sure its not the most agile but youre hella fast and your retention is decent.
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I think I haven’t made myself as clear as I thought I did. I’d suggest having the F1C with Magic 1s and R.530/Es at 11.0, making it an “early” F1 of sorts, having the F1C-200 with Super 530Fs at 11.3 without Magic 2s as well and finally having the F1CT at 12.0 and letting it be as it is. Each F1 would have a raison d’etre that way
Magic 1s are 9L equivalents, Magic 2s are 9M equivalents, if 9Ls can be given to lower BR aircraft without them becoming garbage with inferior performance, so can the F1C.
No… it is a rear aspect missile.
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Magic 1 were considered slightly superior to the Aim-9G by the RN prior to the Falklands but when the Argentines found out the SHars had 9Ls they avoided A2A combat at all cost.
9L slaps the living hell out of magic 1.
The problem is that France has no Aim-9L/R-60M equivalent
Yes.
This would make it worse than the F-4E/F in almost every metric (except radar because MTI pog) since the 530Fs are pretty much useless in RB and its ordnance is meh. It would barely be an improvement over the Mirage IIIE and the J-7Ds would easily prey on them.
Yet as the best rear aspect seeker in game to the point that it can be reliably used as an all aspect missile against most targets.
Cool IRL performance in combat is not the metric that is adhered to in game, missiles vastly outperform their own counterparts in game.
After using both I would prefer the Magic 1 in most situations due to how comically flare hungry the current 9L is, if I had the option of the R-60M over both I would take it.
It isnt… that title goes for the pl5b, and even then, it doesnt make it an “equivalent” to the aim 9L, it is just a better aim 9J due to being more maneuverable, but at the end of the day is an equivalent to other
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only the F1C, and leave the F1CT, then I agree
That isn’t true at all. It’d be fine at 11.0 or 11.3 with magic 1s and 530f
In a dogfight, no, and outside of a dogfight only in endurance, not effectiveness while it has missiles.
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Sure the missiles other than Magic 2s are hot trash but it has insane CM load rivaling even some higher BR aircrafts. Not on PC right so i might be wrong but doesnt it get more CMs than like F-16C or MiG-29SMT?
The thing is that even at 11.3 the 530F are mostly dead weight, i much rather have the aspides on the J8b, that while thee have radar a is worse than the f1 since it lacks MTI, the missile can actually filter chaff, the 530f on the other hand are stupidly easy to throw off, just a chaff is more than enough most of the times.
Their niche is surprising people because they don’t set off launch RWR warnings. When you use them with this in mind, they do fine.