It can use it, yep! As it does in Spain.
However, that would make it very awkward to balance; probably 11.7-12.0, where its armor would no longer work at all and where it would basically be an Ariete/Ariete AMV except with bad thermals.
It could be added once there is proper decompression for ground RB.
anyday now…
No. Its pretty decent at 10.7 with current munitions, and it wil be glass cannon at higher BR with DM33. Its a no-go to me
It has been the shared best 10.7 MBT together with the M1 Abrams for ages now.
Lmao, I don’t even know what to say to this except lmao.
Vickers Mk.7 is starting to become more popular too.
If it gets DM33 and C-tech armour package, the M1 Abrams can barely pen the hull / turret armour (not even the breech) for just a 0.3 BR difference.
because it never face russian 10.7 tanks??, is always uptiered now.
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So every other 10.7 mbt thats worse doesnt get uptiered?
as ive been playing yhey dont face 11.3
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I’d say the 2A4 is the second best tank, T80b beats it, 2A4 just is the best all rounder.
Here are what other tanks beat the 2a4 at:
ariete: He shell and side/back depression
80UD: armor and shell back depression
Vickers:mobility
chally: faster reload (for the first 4 shells lol) armor
2A4 is superior in 90% of the cases compared to any of those
no idea what you’re trying to say
Mobility, back depression, and shell*
shell is better than 3BM42, let alone 120mm DM23.
Yes, the T-80B is now a very strong contender because of the 6s reload buff, but the gun depression and gun handling still lets it down.
The reverse speed is also much to be desired (but at least it’s not -4km/h).
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Forgot about the shell, just got tired of back depression (since 2A4 is worse than everyone anyway)
3BM42 is way better than L26, better velocity and spall, DM23 is good enough most of the time.
I might be kinda biased with the T-80B though, since I always play it, and always at 12.0 with still a 2 kd.
-11 is good enough most of the time, gun handling and depression you’ll have to play around those
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T-80B gets penetrated to hull with the 2a4 120mm. Its basically worse in all aspects except acceleration and turret armor
worse mobility, worse armor, no blowouts and munition in hull, but DM33
worse mobility, worse traverse, worse elevation, no survivability at all
less armor and no blowouts with munitions in hull
Wth arguably worse shell + less mobility, but comparable armor, also munition without blowouts in hull
Thats basically it. xD
Yeah no worries.
In terms of round and back depression sure 😅
L26 penetrates 471mm whereas 3BM42 penetrates 457mm.
The muzzle velocity may be better (though I don’t think it’s a huge difference), but the spalling with L26 is better since they’re both long_rod APFSDS and they have the same angle modifiers.
The amount of spalling long rod APFSDS is calculated based on the remaining (residual) penetration of the shell after it goes through the armour:
Yeah but definitely struggles in uptiers, especially against things like the BMPT.
L27 can also lol-pen the UFP of the T-80B.
Yeah no worries. I think I’d like it too if I were to spade it.
Yeah. It’s good enough for getting back behind cover after poking out from over a hill / building, but it starts to be a problem if you want to try and reverse away from a bad situation / area and if your breech is knocked out (you need to swing your whole hull around and expose your rear).
Yeah, and in those cases I’d rather play the Leo, Abrams, Chally, or Vickers Mk.7.
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It’s iffy. If it uses its gun depression + K1 ERA, it’s not reliable:
Yeah. I’d rather take the Chally Mk.3s out any day.
Yup though with the introduction of turret baskets, the 2A4 can only really survive one shot and then it’s unable to run away / fight back.
Yup.
That’s the cost of having better mobility, gun depression, turret survivability (against better rounds), no NATO hump, and a better round.
L26 is better in all aspects over 120mm DM23 other than muzzle velocity.
True.
Hull armour is worse (but the 2A4’s lower UFP and LFP aren’t particularly good either) but the turret armour is much better (often being able to to stop 3BM42 with its right cheek and sometimes with its left cheek).
I’d say turret armour is more important than hull armour anyways.
That’s true but when hull-down, it cannot get detonated in any way.
ah but it happends all the time. As you picked a worse angle, and the T-80 is usually lower than Leopard 2.
Still it a sign that armor becomes non-existent. It is protected like T-72AV but no one calls Turms a good protection nowadays.
Well i like to use Ariette, but only because its uniqie. Otherwise it feels petty
Thats like that, yes, but it usually can run and hide. Play it safe you`ll be surviving at least twice
I may be mistaken, but Vickers 7 moves pretty alike with 2a4. Other than that, it has L26 which is cool thing. But i damned teh ammo storages in hull many times…
No doubt, but the challenger only gets teh L23A1 as i remember, innit?
Thus the 10.3 instead of 10.7.
I say that the turret armor is also comparable. It stops pretty much same things, but being slanted provides some better angles. But still can be penned with 3BM42 if unlucky. Just as 2a4s one.
Not that it hapened many times, but some angled sideshots to turret blew my munitions. Tho that rarely happends, so its probably can be labeled as “hull shot problem”.
Unless you are facing it from <200m or so, you are going to have your shell be parallel to plane at where you shoot the UFP:
And then if he uses his gun depression (what little gun depression he has with the T-80B) and K1 (an extra 5-10mm of KE protection), it will most definitely not going to penetrate.
Its UFP armour is only really usable against M1 Abrams’ M774, 2A4’s DM23, and possibly the CV90105’s / Boxer MGS’ 105mm DM33 / 105mm DM63.
After that, yeah its UFP is practically useless.
The TURMST’s UFP is so useless at 10.3, so I agree with you there 😅
It should be 10.0 in my opinion.
Indeed.
If it can smoke up in time and turn around and not get shot in the back, sure.
It’s slightly faster than the 2A4, but yeah it’s practically the same, if not, slightly worse in some situations:
I think it’s kinda annoying though with the introduction of the turret baskets, you aren’t going to survive a second shot with the Abrams / 2A4 anyways (unless your teammates manage to help you / shoot the dude before he reloads).
The Challenger Mk.2 gets only L23A1 (which is why it’s 10.3, like you said).
But the Mk.3 and DS gets L26, which is why they’re 10.7.
Well…
Yeah probably.
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True! Changed it to 11.7
It would basically be a Type 90 sidegrade; trading reload for armor.
M1 should get M833 at 10.7, IMP, btw!