He doesn’t know.
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Don’t know what? Since the gulf war British tanks have been praised for having the best protection of any modern day MBT and in war thunder their model is a complete joke. There are many long threads on this forum aswell as bug reports of the inaccuracy’s of armor for British vehicles that have been straight up ignored by gaijin multiple times over.
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Is that why the “best protected modern day MBT” lost to both Leopard 2A5S and M1A2 SEPv1 in the Hellenic tank trials? It was straight up called not as well protected as those two. Its armor in War Thunder is currently overperforming as well(i.e it’s too good in comparison to its real life counterpart), on both the hull & the turret, mantlet is underperforming (but so is every other MBT’s).
There are many long threads on this forum aswell as bug reports of the inaccuracy’s of armor for British vehicles that have been straight up ignored by gaijin multiple times over.
All of them are now outdated since we have Challenger 2s protection requirements, which are by far the most up-to-date data on the protection of the vehicle, and lets just say, they’re not that good.
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Where is your source for your first claim? Not only is there multiple sources of incorrect protection based on the STANAG protection system, but in those exact trials you mention they rated the Challenger above the Russian T80 and the Ukrainian T84 (upgraded T80) in protection and reliability… lol. Also the Challenger 2E used in these trials would not even be the same as the current version in the game as the development of the tank was not yet complete so that would be inconsequential for determining protection within the game.
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How is STANAG relevant here?
but in those exact trials you mention they rated the Challenger above the Russian T80 and the Ukrainian T84 (upgraded T80) in protection and reliability
They rated these tanks;
- Leopard 2A5(S)
- M1A2 SEPv1
- Leclerc S2(?)
- Challenger 2E
- T-80UM-1(?)
- T-84
Leopard 2A5S was best protected, followed by the SEPv1. Challenger 2E was only as well protected as the Leclerc.
Also the Challenger 2E used in these trials would not even be the same as the current version in the game as the development of the tank was not yet complete so that would be inconsequential for determining protection within the game.
What are you even talking about? The tank that participated in the trials was as finished as it could be, so leave your wishful thinking out of this.
Where is your source for your first claim?
He doesn’t know.
Mr. “I main UK”.
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T-80UE*. (not T-80UE-1)
Being a T-80U tank with new designed transmission (was designed in rush for trials), Shtora APS system, Agava 2 thermals.
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If you guys want to just come in here and dogpile on some guy then why dont you go back to your respective echo chambers and go “no my tank is actually the best because it just is because this one trial showed it to be cool!!”
i dont know how a thread that was started because somebody posed the question of “should the Australian M1A2 be in the UK tree instead of US” has got to “bashing people who like the challengers”
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I don’t main UK and if you’re talking about the Hellenic tank trails in 1998 then you would be wrong as the Challenger 2E’s development wasn’t finished until 2005. I also at no point claimed to be a British main. Also you have yet to provide a single source on how they ranked these tanks protection wise, and how it has any relevance to the game as this is not the Challenger 2E that would be modeled in the game.
What are you even talking about.
i dont know how a thread that was started because somebody posed the question of “should the Australian M1A2 be in the UK tree instead of US” has got to “bashing people who like the challengers”
Let me put it like this so you can comprehend it;
- he make dum claim
- we clown the dum claim
Simple as, get over yourself.
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Also the STANAG is relevant as we are talking about the protection of the finished challenger 2’s that are in game and also put into service, you are mentioning a vehicle that wasn’t only incomplete but that is not even in the game that still managed to score above other tanks in the game in protection despite being unfinished and having worse armor in the game.
You’re free to cry:
Challenger 1 & Challenger 2
tl;dr, the Challies don’t weight as much as they do because they have “good protection”, they weight as much as they do because they’re veryyy u n o p t i m i z e d (like, what do you expect? the steel carcass of Chally 2s turret weighs as much as a fully kitted out Leopard 2A5 turret minus the add-on armor, but I’ll check that and correct this part if needed).
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its more of informing people of the current situation not really bashing people who like the challengers just bashing the challenger current status
I mean if your gonna use Challenger 1 protection figures then use them in talks about Challenger 2 then feel free.
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that isnt the challenger 1 also that aint me that’s furina 
Challenger 1 figures? I need to know what you’re smoking because SR(L) 4026 are Challenger 2s figures.
These are challenger 1 Figures, The “Proposed” and “4026”, are from as you said SR(L) 4026 are the initial challenger 2 figures, but these figures are from challenger 2 development before it was finalised and is more of a rough base line than “these are the hard challenger 2 figures”.
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