Should France get access to Mistral 3 AS SOON AS POSSIBLE through MPCV Mistral 3?

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Should France get access AS SOON AS POSSIBLE to the Mistral 3 missile (for instance, through the addition of the MPCV Mistral 3 ?)
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INTRODUCTION - The Dawn of a New Shark

The Mistral MANPAD has been available on various France vehicles for a while now, but they are massively underperforming despite the large amount of sources communicated to the Devs. Yet they still remain adamant about not wanting the Mistral to perform better than Igla missiles.
This has to change. RUSSIA SHOULDN’T BE THE CEILING FOR WHAT FRANCE GETS, especially considering how quickly we are approaching the current days vehicles developped and used by France.
How pathetic to realize that even the MUCH OLDER and URNELIABLE Strela missiles perform better than the Mistrals.
Now that the TYPE 81 (C) was added, it makes EVEN LESS SENSE for the Mistral missiles to perform SO POORLY.

PLEASE ADD MISTRAL 3 TO FRANCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THROUGH THE MPCV MISTRAL 3 VEHICLE.

Consider a modern battlefield where threats emerge from all directions, demanding rapid response and adaptability. Enter the Multi-Purpose Combat Vehicle (MPCV) Mistral, MBDA’s sophisticated solution to contemporary warfare challenges. This vehicle is not merely an armored unit; it is a comprehensive defense system, equipped with the advanced Mistral 3 missile, designed to safeguard and adapt under any circumstances.

The Journey of Creation: MPCV’s Birth

MBDA, a prominent European missile developer and manufacturer headquartered in Le Plessis-Robinson, France, has a distinguished reputation for its innovative air defense systems. The MPCV Mistral exemplifies MBDA’s unwavering commitment to excellence. Developed over a period of four years with internal funding and deployed in less than three, the MPCV Mistral stands as a beacon of dedication and innovation.

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This shark of a VSHORAD (Very Short Range Air Defense) system emerged from a collaborative effort initiated in 2006, involving Rheinmetall Defense, Renault Defense Trucks, Thales, and MBDA. The French Army first integrated the MPCV Mistral, with initial deliveries to the Armée de Terre occurring in 2011.-IMAGE BELOW TO BE HIDDEN UNDER A SPOILER-

Built on the Renault Sherpa-3A 4x4 platform, the MPCV Mistral is engineered for optimal mobility and protection against light arms and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). It features a Remote Weapons Turret (RWT) equipped with Rheinmetall and Thales electronics, adaptable for various platforms.

But the real bite comes from the turret. The turret is the core of this vehicle. Equipped with a Rheinmetall Electronics sighting system, it can silently track and engage targets without radar detection. The gunner utilizes a Rheinmetall Electronics Electro-Optical Sight System (EOSS) to locate, track, and engage targets, reducing the risk of counter-detection.

The turret is highly adaptable: it houses four ready-to-fire Mistral 2 or 3 missiles, which offer extended range and increased speed. Thanks to the digital Fire Control System (FCS), these missiles can be launched while the vehicle is in motion. The Mistral MANPADS (Man-Portable Air-Defense System) are fire-and-forget missiles with a proven success rate of 97%, significantly surpassing the Stinger’s 79% and the Igla’s 48%. These missiles utilize a Cross-Linear Array Seeker, rendering them highly resistant to countermeasures.The Mistral MANPADS (Man Portable Air-Defense System) are Fire-and-Forget Surface-to-Air missiles. They boast the highest proven success hit-rate of 97%, much higher than the Stinger’s 79% or the Igla’s 48%.

And if that’s not enough, a 12.7mm heavy machine gun sits by its side, a loyal companion for engaging lighter vehicles or pesky helicopters.

A three-man crew operates this beast. The driver steers them through the chaos, while the commander, uses Thales communication to coordinate with other air defense units. In the rear compartment, 12.7mm ammunition as well as 4 additional Mistral 2 or 3 missiles are stored and can be loaded manually for a total of 8 missiles.

Currently, the MPCV Mistral is in service with the French Army, particularly within the 54th Artillery Regiment, and the Saudi National Guard. Qatar is also considering acquiring this advanced system.

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The difference between the Mistral 2 and the Mistral 3

Mistral 2:

18.7kg;

Max speed = Mach 2.7,

Max Range:

head-on non-afterburning jets: 6.5 km;

helos with thermal suppression devices = > 4 km;

Cross-Linear Array Seeker;

Max Overload: 32G .

Mistral 3:

19.7kg;

Max speed = Mach 2.7;

Max Range: head-on, all aerial targets from jets to helicopters and drones = 7.5km;

Imaging Infrared Seeker;

Max Overload: 30G .

Both Mistral missiles have a length of 1,860 mm and a caliber of 90mm.

The difference between Mistral 2 and Mistral 3 lies mostly in the range, which is improved thanks to more propellant as well as a state-of-the-art seeker in the latter.

As provided previously, the use of a Cross-Linear Array Seeker allows for the best countermeasure rejection on the market, making the Mistral missiles basically impervious to flares, unless a flare gets directly between the missile and its target.

The homing head being a pyramidal IR-dome allows to create much less drag than the standard spherical dome fitted on the other IR missiles, allowing greater speed and thus great manoeuvrability at extreme range.

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The MPCV in a nutshell

So, to summarize:

  • High mobility and crew protection
  • Significant firepower with a motorized turret on an armored vehicle
  • Electro-optical sensors, a small caliber gun, and four ready-to-fire Mistral missiles
  • Modular architecture for integration into a coordinated fire control network
  • Remote operation capabilities

The MPCV Mistral shares its platform and many electronics with the MPCV-MMP (Akeron MP) but is primarily equipped with the Mistral 3 missiles. It can also carry two ready-to-fire Akeron MP anti-tank guided missiles, making it a versatile multi-role vehicle.

Why implement the MPCV in War Thunder?

Here are a few reasons:

  • With the recent addition of the Type 81 (C), the MPCV Mistral would be a good counterpart for the French Ground Forces Tech Tree. Equipped with Mistral 3 missiles, this vehicle would sit comfortably at about the same BR (around 11.3), closing the gap between the Roland 1 SAM and ItO-90M;

  • With Mistral 2 and/or Mistral 3, the MPCV-Mistral gets a new max range of either 6.5 or 7.5km, depending on the missile, allowing it to engage helicopters and jets out of range for most VSHORAD;

  • It is not a prototype; it is currently in service with the French military.

  • Fire on the move capability;

  • This variant is focused on the Sherpa 3A platform;

  • Fixed Remote-Turret features adaptable armaments and can also equip 2 ready-to-fire Akeron MP anti-tank guided missiles, making the vehicle a true multi-role vehicle. Adding it now opens up for other variants down the line.

  • Specifications of the MPCV:

  • Armament:

  • Fixed Remote-Turret (Weapons Rotate Together, cannot turn independently)

    • Depression/Elevation: -10° to +60°
    • Stabilization: Fully Stabilized
    • Surface-to-Air Missiles (4-ready, 4 stowed):
      • Mistral 2
        • Speed: 930m/s (up to 30G’s)
        • Tracking: Fire-and-Forget, IR, All-Aspect
        • Weight: 19.7kg
        • Length: 1.86m
        • Diameter: 90mm
        • Maximum Intercept Range: 6.5km
        • Minimum Intercept Range: 500m
        • Maximum Altitude: 3km
        • Reaction Time: 2 Seconds
        • Notes:
          • Fire on the move or stationary capability!
      • Mistral 3
        • Speed: 930m/s (up to 30G’s)
        • Tracking: Fire-and-Forget, IR, All-Aspect
        • Weight: ~20kg
        • Length: 1.86m
        • Diameter: 90mm
        • Maximum Intercept Range: 7.5km
        • Minimum Intercept Range: 500m
        • Maximum Altitude: 3km
        • Reaction Time: 2 Seconds
        • Notes :
          • Same capabilities as the Mistral 2 but with new imaging infrared seeker, increased range to 7.5km, and high resistance to countermeasures!
            • Better tracking capabilities.
    • Anti-tank Guided Missile:
      • Akeron MP (2-ready, 2 stowed)
        • Tracking: Infrared Homing, Television Guidance (Fire and Forget or Fiber Optic Direct)
        • Weight: 15kg
        • Length: 1.3m
        • Diameter: 140mm
        • Operational Range: 4,000-5,000m
        • Warhead: Tandem HEAT
        • Penetration: ~1,000mm of RHA, ~2,000mm of Concrete
    • Self-Defense 12.7mm HMG
    • Potential weapon loadouts:
      • 4-Mistral, 2-Mistral and 2-Akeron MP, or 4 Akeron MP missiles.

Armor:

  • Small Arms Protection (Up to 7.62mm)
  • Mine/Shrapnel Resistant
  • STANAG 1/2

Platform:

  • Length: 5.9m
  • Width: 2.2m
  • Weight: 9.5t
  • Engine: 4-cyl Euro 4 (215hp, 1,200-1,700rpm)
  • Transmission: Allison S2500 (6-Forward, 1-Reverse)
  • Max Speed: 120km/h (on road)

Crew:

  • Driver
  • Gunner
  • Commander

Accessories:

  • NVD/Thermals
    • Gunner (Thermals)
    • Driver (NVD)
  • Laser Rangefinder
  • EOSS (No RADAR needed)
  • “Scout” Role

Sources:

This thread was freely drawn from @Yontzee’s own MPCV Mistral post.

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Why is this in the dev server section and not the suggestion section?

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Because this subsection is also used to demand things.

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I agree, France needs a new top tier. Russia, Israel, Japan now have top tier IR missile SAMs. It’s time for France to join the ranks.

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+1 France should get additional AA

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Assuming the leak list is correct, the Chinese tech-tree is getting the Antelope AA. Would be great if France could get a great fire and forget option as well. Really every tech-tree needs one.

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