Should EF2000s get AIM120C5?

[MythicPi]

I’ve already told you your analysis wasnt really worth engaging with and why, then spent more time engaging with you and your points. I see no reason why Id waste any more of my time just to try and convince you. Feel free to disagree with the info ive provided all you want, the others can read whats been provided already and come to their own conclusions.

[DANI6904]

you are comparing a plane that has 7Mil games played to an 800k

[Beeschurger]

@darabyte

A popularity contest doesn’t mean much on who’s correct.

Well no but you cant dismiss it either. Mythics argument sound more logical so he has my support.

[Spil1tia-psn]

Yet to see any evidence that isn’t entirely based off vibes

[PScomet13]

Yes but by that logic shouldn’t the plane with 800k game played are being played by better players? Since 800k players are way less then 7mil, that means there is more “average” player to “good” player ration in the plane that have 7mil right?

[joze5]

[DANI6904]

yeah, you are right, but still do the comparison with the american one or people may not correlate to your logic.

[H_ngma]

Well youre unpopular AND incorrect so theres that

[PScomet13]

One example is the f18 from sweden and usa

The sweadish one don’t even have hmd but perfrom way better because only dedicated swedish player plays it. Hence less player count.

[DANI6904]

that’s right but still.

[PScomet13]

I don’t want to get bashed as an usa main lol, so I use a obscure nation such as isreal to provide a stronger argument.

[darabyte]

@PScomet13

so um by your logic higher kda means better player. Then why is the ef2000 like 2% more WR then f15I from isreal despite the same kdr? How come a minor nation’s plane is performing worse then a major nation like germany? Is it perhapse a plane is better then the other one? I don’t know man or is every german air rb player just insainly good at the game? Idk how it works but if you play usa made planes do you just automatically become worse? As players is not stuck to playing 1 nation the whole time.

Because KDR != K/S.
You’re fundamentally understanding my argument here.
Kills per spawn indicate that Eurofighter players do, on average, more kills per SPAWN. That automatically excludes passive gameplay or KDR padding.
KDR does not mean much when you can simply steal a lucky kill or two, RTB, and J out.
Nor does correlation equals causation; less-played vehicles do not inherently mean more skilled players play it.

Refer to this:

@darabyte

Just because a plane like the British Typhoon has low usage doesn’t mean it has the same quality pilot pool as the Rafale. Many nations’ 14.0s are either underwhelming or not meta-relevant, so fewer players — and even fewer high-skill players — bother flying them at all. They’re abandoned, not curated.
The Rafale, on the other hand, is actively pursued.

[PScomet13]

of course this does not always work. In statistic there is the minimum significant data size. One counter example is this

I mean I guess british air player are just too good??? (I blame them for making my favourite plane the sea vixen 9.0)

[darabyte]

“Incorrect” is when you tell me I’m wrong without stating why.
Comparing me to Spookstoon does not help your case at all lol.
I don’t care for a popularity contest. I do care however for a productive conversation.

[PScomet13]

Um so the italian ef have more K/S, how come it have lower winrate then?

[H_ngma]

The winrate is different but look at KpS and KpD, theyre much closer than what the winrate would have you think. Rn the stats only show that the much smaller amount of Swedes win more often but with similar performance

[darabyte]

@PScomet13

Yes but by that logic shouldn’t the plane with 800k game played are being played by better players? Since 800k players are way less then 7mil, that means there is more “average” player to “good” player ration in the plane that have 7mil right?

Refer to:

@darabyte

Just because a plane like the British Typhoon has low usage doesn’t mean it has the same quality pilot pool as the Rafale. Many nations’ 14.0s are either underwhelming or not meta-relevant, so fewer players — and even fewer high-skill players — bother flying them at all. They’re abandoned, not curated.

[PScomet13]

Ok but it still have way higher usage then the italian one and the isreali f15I, so like how come?

[_Renzo]

@H_ngma_

Ofc it might fix the loop, if all 14.0s are on a similar powerlevel, good players wont feel the need as much to play the Rafale

This will never fully happen, because the F/A-18C will still be mid as fuck and miles behind the EFT and Rafale.

If they added the C-5 exclusively to the Hornet it would have been brought up to a closer level to the Rafale/EFT, but now that both the F-15E/I and EFTs all also get it, it just cancels it out and leaves the Hornet in the same position.

[H_ngma]

Bru are you incapable of reading? There are multiple comments stating why you are wrong or at least only partially right on the other side you have brought 0 evidence that Rafale players are just great players other than “Yes every good player is a meta slave, i am very smart”