id say there is at least an easy fix to go in the right direction especially in a game like WT where swapping tech tree is not that easy. Just bring all other 14.0s to a similar powerlevel so playing anything other than the topdog is not that much of a detriment
Not that i complain, but what purpose is there to 120A/Bs now?
C5s seemed to be a great way to balance slower airframes like hornet or lacking in payload like Gripen C but now that even EFT recieves them, the gap between 13.0 ARH slingers and 14.0 planes just somehow got even bigger.
???
And screw the 13.0-13.7 bracket, right?
And it doesn’t really break the feedback loop.
Your ‘solution’ fixes nothing. At all.
You’re saying 2 things;
- The Rafale isnt OP, it just has good players
- Any player worth their salt knows the Rafale is OP, so they’re playing it
Your giant walls of text are effectively self defeating, and largely just hinge on assumptions of the Rafale player base being superior to all others, a metric that we cant really measure in any way accurately, and is effectively not worth engaging with when discussing balance, as you are debating objective facts (the raw performance numbers of each aircraft) against a subjective opinion (Rafale players are better than everyone else for XYZ reason).
Obviously, there is more to balance than just the raw performance numbers of an aircraft, but the performance numbers are still the primary indicator of an overperforming airframe, which the Rafale is blatantly so.
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13-13.7 is suffering already, partially because the Rafale is so strong. By your logic only the Rafale is allowed to club the 13 bracket?
Ofc it might fix the loop, if all 14.0s are on a similar powerlevel, good players wont feel the need as much to play the Rafale
Rafale OP
Buff MICA
Rafale OP, but need more
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Most of not all 14.0s probably could go up to 14.3 now. But from my perspective at least in the typhoon, the C5 should give the typhoon some of the HOBS ability the R-77-1 and MICA EM have. Especially as we lack IR HOBS as well.
There is now room for buffing AAM-4, PL-12 and maybe MICA EM a bit as well and that would help create parity between the 14.0s.
Yes 13.0s would struggle even more in an uptier, but they already did anyway
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That’s factually incorrect, and not what I wrote.
As per my own words;
“It is the meta jet […] the jet itself is still extremely strong.”
“I’m not saying the Rafale isn’t strong. It is.”
You completely disregarded the part where I performed a multivariable analysis to associate why the Rafale’s playerbase may be performing better than other planes.
And they logically hold water.
By definition, they are empirically accurate assessments based on the data that YOU provided.
Do feel free to refute my point. Otherwise, you’re just flailing and saying that I’m incorrect without saying why.
Also, the literal biggest confouding variable (the PILOT) not worth engaging during a discussion about balance? LOL.
I do this for a living, chief.
What the hell do you mean? The holy trinity (F-15E, Typhoon, Rafale) already FACTUALLY seal clubs the entire 13 bracket.
It won’t fix the loop. If the planes are similar, they will simply pick the bigger numbers. And with the Rafale’s stats being the far superior plane right now, guess what will happen…
I mean just because they already struggle does not make it okay to make them struggle even more.
One can hope.
IIRC that statcard youve sent me earlier showed C5s having peak pull of 35Gs.
I personally wouldnt really call that HOBS capable missile, since it lacks TVC.
Ultimately my point was something different alltogether.
Whats the point of 120A/Bs now if not balancing factor to equalize better airframes with weaker ones?
you get paid for yapping?
yes thats exactly the thing if you make the other planes better more good players will get back to the other planes either for testing if the changes actually did something and because they dont feel as powerless as they feel now
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The 120C-5 is supposed have better AoA and a faster maneuvering time off the rails, which is what gives it the “HOB” performance coupled with the different rocket motor profile. The current iteration has neither the AoA improvement over the 120A/B and has the same 0.6 second maneuvering delay which is what kills the close in performance.
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C5 has 0.3 sec guidance
C5 is not modeled currently. It’s B with some extra range. If that remains the case, it is pretty worthless and hardly worth even mentioning it’s been added.
I am assuming it’s current stats are total placeholder
LOL.
Okay, buddy.
Factually incorrect; they will min-max and stick to the Rafale.
Once the Rafale becomes the statistical top dog, even if others are close, players will still:
- Prefer the Rafale due to community perception
- Get better results from it (because others perceive it to be better and optimize around it)
- Continue reinforcing the meta-loop
Assuming that there will be rational egalitarian on a number’s game is naive.
Same could be said for Aim-7M Vs Aim-7E
Or R-27ER Vs R-24R.
As things are added. Naturally the things with C5s will be higher.
Unless it changed with this mornings dev update it was changed to the same .6 delay as the A/B has.
im pretty sure it has 0.3 sec but then i dont update my info frequently enough so
We, as players, have absolutely no insight into what the experience and competency make-up of each respective tree is. At least not that I know of. Unless you’re Gaijin staff operating under a non-staff account, there is no way you can say US has more average players and France has more competent players. Even if the US tech tree has been around longer, even if they have more vehicles, again…there’s no data we have to back that claim up. Currently, both nations have a premium that can allow a new player who started at least within the last two years (Mirage F-1C was added in 2022, and say the F-4S in 2023) to mindlessly bomb/farm their way to top tier, without really learning the intricacies and limitations of dogfighting.
I feel like this is an unjust and overly-used stick to bash US mains that doesn’t actually have any data to back it up. I don’t see why Gaijin would share that because it just leads to bashing one nation over the other.
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