For dogfight EF2000 I think is / was better than rafale, for overall kit and use of said kit the su30 amd F15 put EF2000 in 4th place, its all extremely close.
The issue is the EF2000 has to get within about 16km to even have a chance of responding, while the others can use TWS to throw off their dookie and move on.
I died far too many times in the phoon trying to use the TWS and by teh time I even get a partial enough lock to fire the person im firing at has already slung one or two ARH’s at me and cranked out.
its ridiculous.
please explain how the EF2000 is a better plane in the game than the SU30 when the stats and the general kit of the planes tell a completely different story
Close range it’s easily second place. flight performance wise it might be slightly ahead of the Rafale (unsure of that myself), but the Rafale’s micas are just so good at this type of combat.
Long range I would also place the EFT either second or third best. The F-15E is clearly the best long range bvr plane, but the EFT has the same missiles and the only plane that can get close to the F-15E in bvr flight performance, with the added bonus that it can go into a notch way easier and quicker than the F-15E. The F/A-18C and Rafale are ass at long range bvr so it’s within top 3 already. 2nd or 3rd place depends on if you value flight performance (EFT) or radar and missile count (Su-30SM) more.
Don’t get me wrong, this is not meant to be an argument from me that the EFT shouldn’t get C-5s. If the F-15E gets them I don’t mind the EFT also getting them personally. I just hate it when people act like it’s one of the worst 14.0 while it’s easily among the best.
All the Su-30SM has going for it are radar and missile count. Not saying that the Su-30SM is a bad aircraft.
they should buff the r77-1 to make it realistic, give 120c to ef2k and the f15e, increase the map sizes, and everything should be fine, but its too much work for gaijin.
“The SU30 is only good at the things that actually matter for top tier how can it be good?”
There are not that many 14.0s, if the Rafale and the SU30 are better than its already mid and when the F15 performs better in BVR then its already on the lower end. Flight Performance is great but with the worst 14.0 radar and the lowest Fox3 count i think its very hard to argue that the EF2000 is the second best
Missiles arent that effective since the platform good compared to other platforms of the amraam carriers, realistically speaking, it only has a good radar and ofc the 12 missiles going for it
Except that the Su-30SM isn’t straight up better than the EFT. The EFT can hold it’s own against the Su-30SM in bvr and the EFT rinses the Su-30SM in close range.
Im talking sheer flight performance, especially for dogfighting, not missiles.
It cant be when its radar barely has a lock, I cannot use it outwith the HMD mode for it anymore, it just isn’t worth making the KD worse.
has the same missiles, but a substantially worse radar, the F15E can lock, launch, and crank, before you even get a lock with TWS or even the standard Search PD.
okay ima say this one more time.
it doesn’t matter if it can notch quicker, the EF2000 cannot respond if its radar does not work properly, its something i was in denial about when I got it.
I’ve had to play it as if its the old damn meta just to bring my KD to near positive.
2 the Aim120s are fatnastic missiles, when they can get a lock hell I couldn’t even guide one in manually the other day with the EF2000 radar locked on , it just broke lock n couldn’t find the target. and no one was notching, neither of us had changed position it just, lost lock.
the rafale beats it in BRV as it can get a sustained TWS track far, far easier, even if MICAs are worse, the fact the EF2000 cant launch means its objectively not going to be able to respond.
If it didnt get worse radar than some 13.7s then people wouldn’t be saying this.
Yeah better radar and double(!) the missile count and better IR missiles, sure it loses a 1v1 if you dont get a good R73 shot but missile count and radar are much more useful in the current meta
no it cant, the SU can literally shoot every single fox3 of the EF and have 6 left and all that with a radar than can actually track those missiles. Sure the EF can fire more lethal shots but very inconsistenly thanks to the radar
There are two main issues with the CAPTOR-M:
-TWS detects targets significantly less than it should (even those that the Blue Vixen easily picks up).
-Even when the target doesn’t notch or chaff and everything else is fine, the lock will sometimes randomly break.
It’s good when it works, sure, but the problem is that it doesn’t work more than it does.