Why though?
A cupola is a very small target.
If your commander gets killed and the crew loses most of their situational awareness, the tank is basically disabled.
The Tigers cupola was a legit weakspot, hence why it was redesigned on the later tanks.
It only comes into play on WT maps where you are constantly fighting tanks in cities at 200m.
Wouldn’t be much of a problem, if combat ranges where simply greater.
Yes, its an issue that they need to fix. It effects all standard rounds but APHE has the death sphere to counter it so you dont notice.
Because an AP round hitting the cupola and killing all the crew in the turret makes zero sense.
APHE damage needs to be realistic, kill requirements lowered.
APHE needs to have actual reliability issues, where it won’t fuze under specified circumstances, just how tungsten carbide shatters against spaced armor.
The end result should be that APHE is going to be like 10% more effective than solid shot but with like 10% less penetration.
Not literally twice or more deadly than AP currently is.
The whole issue is that APHE kills are far too easy compare to AP, simply because Gaijin decided thats how it’s going to be.
Yeah, APHE is way too strong.
Sadly, most people dont want it to be nerfed.
Ok, but here you are imagining yourself on the receiving end. What about the other way around? With some vehicles you can take out an enemy gunner and he’ll be replaced before you’ve even reloaded the next shell, when in reality a penetration of the turret means game over for a tank IRL as the surviving crew bails.
Realism cuts both ways. In WT, tanks are very survivable to allow players to stay in a match longer. That is no less cheesy than cupola exploits, you just have to figure out where you draw your own line.
And my line is that solid shot shouldnt nuke the turret crew by hitting the cupola.
That’s fine. But in reality like Kiwi said, that type of damage would be a mission kill, since the tank has both no commander and no situational awareness anymore. So hitting the cupola but the target stays in the fight is just as unrealistic as everyone inside having a solidarity heart attack.
This is why earlier I suggested a severe damage mechanic for tanks. We have one for air already and it’s an elegant representation of the concept of mission kill.
Having it like air? That could be a good thing to add.
Yes, and if you get “severely damaged” you would have to return to a friendly cap (or lacking that, a spawn) to fix it, much like you would return to a base in air. So you have a shot at getting back in the fight, but you’re not just gonna shrug off catastrophic damage like we do now.
So basically perma-stock parts?
Just for very severe damage. What qualifies exactly as severe damage is up for debate. For example tracks and barrels definitely not, it would be incredibly obnoxious. But I’m sure the devs had to have a similar discussion for planes too. In a plane it will take you a couple minutes usually to limp back to base, repair severe damage and lift off again, so long as this is similar it could help. It would certainly make solid shot (or low-filler HE) a lot more viable, HESH too.
For planes, severe damage only really effect what happens at the end of a battle.
Outside of that, it is regular crits with a name change.
The main difference between pmanes and tanks is that planes cant repair outside of the base.
HESH is just broken in general. Maybe one way woukd be to have repairs take more time tgat more damage the module took. Less time if a 50mm APHE took out your engine via death sphere vs a 120mm AP round slamming into it.
There are plenty of other issues with the game about reliability. If gaijin took this into account, they would also have to account for the unreliability of tiger engines and the fact that a t-34’s armour would shatter after being hit by a shell. The game just assumes that everything is in perfect working order.
This isn’t about reliability.
It’s about that APHE shells can’t detonate under conditions where the fuze or cavity get destroyed.
The game just assumes that every AP round will stay in perfect condition after interacting with armor, which of course isn’t the case.
Sloped armor puts massive acceleration forces on the fuzes, jaming the firing pin in place.
Shells breaking appart scatter the explosives, before the detonator can blow them up.
If tungsten carbide shells can shatter under certain conditions, then APHE can be made to not detonate under certain conditions as well.
We already have fuze sensitivity, which stops APHE from fuzing in the first place.
Then there also must be an armor limit at which point APHE stops functioning entirely.
This can be based on caliber and filler ratio and be amplified by sloped armor.
But it shouldn’t really matter anyway.
If you hit a tank with APHE that doesn’t fuze, it’s still like hitting it with AP.
The result should hardly matter.
HESH damages the inside of a tank by a giant steel scab getting blown of the armor.
The armor is now massively compromised.
As if having a giant hole blown in the armor wasn’t bad enough, HESH literally destroys the armor plate.
That’s like wearing a bullet proof vest that was shot 10 times already.
HESH should be a one shot kill machine and it would still be less effective than other AP rounds because of its bad ballistics performance and inability to cause damage to spaced armor.
HESH does reach one shot lvl damage WHEN it works. Sadly, gaijin ruined it.
I think another guy said something about making it over pressure amd insta-kill if it hit armor that was thinner than its “pen”.
Possible to do though not sure how far up the british tanks would have to move.
That’s what I mean when I talk about the developers’ selective realism. They make tungsten carbide rounds shatter when they hit spaced armor (exaggeratedly so, in my opinion), while APHE rounds don’t shatter, don’t misfire, and have exaggerated damage. The developers are dedicated to exaggerating realism in some cases and exaggerating fantasy in others.
How easy it would be to do everything right, so there would be a realistic balance between the different bullets.
You do know APHE is functionally identical to AP though, right? It doesn’t explode like a grenade, it just helps it spall a little bit more.
Technically not true.
Spall are steel fragments from the tanks armor, while APHE is supposed to fragment the shell after penetration.
Under certain conditions, both APHE and solid AP will break apart on their own.
APHE would mostly be useful against thin armor plates where AP shells wouldn’t produce a lot of spalling and the shell just stays intact.
But since most penetration result in the vehicle being disabled, the effect is pretty superficial.
Of course against bunkers or other fortifications APHE, with large filler, would actually be more effective.
But for destroying an armored vehicle, the difference wouldn’t be worth the added complexity and the unreliability of it working in the first place.